Social Media Bullying by So-Called Professional Photographers

MWACAttack Missy MwacMy first post on this blog, Is Groupon Killing the Photography Industry?, was actually less about Groupon than it was about experienced professional photographers and their attitudes toward less experienced professionals. These attitudes have reached a new level of absurdity and cruelty with the emergence of Missy Mwac on Facebook and MWACAttack on YouTube.

Here’s how “Missy” describes herself on Facebook:

I am a stay at home MWAC (Mom with a Camera) to two adorable children! I decided to become a professional photographer while my kids are at school and found it much easier than I thought it would be. I’m out to spread the word that being a Professional Photographer is A LOT easier than most people think!

She has a similar description on her YouTube channel:

I am a stay at home “Mom With A Camera: MWAC” who made the decision overnight to become a Professional Photographer. After 3 years, I’ve decided it’s time to give back and show that it’s a lot easier to be a Professional Photographer than most people think.

She’s been anonymously publishing YouTube videos at a rate of one every two days. Most people haven’t been fooled by her satire and understand that she’s just a professional photographer and an amateur actress playing a role with the purpose of entertaining like-minded professionals.

The big debate is whether her videos are funny or just downright mean.

I’m siding with those who say the videos are mean. Once again, we have an experienced professional photographer who is judging and teasing “moms with a camera,” which is just a crude generalization for inexperienced professionals.

In her first four YouTube videos, she makes fun of MWACs regarding their knowledge of the following:

  • camera settings
  • posing families
  • terminology
  • accessories
  • wardrobe
  • prints vs. CDs
  • print labs
  • monitor calibration

Here’s her first video, which gives a good overview of what she’s doing and her attitude toward inexperienced photographers.

Can’t see the video? CLICK HERE 

In my opinion, she’s nothing more than a cyber bully.

One form of cyberbullying includes creating websites, videos or social media profiles that embarrass, humiliate, or make fun of others, and that’s exactly what she’s doing. In addition, she’s hiding behind her anonymity, as nobody has been able to identify who she is yet.

She obviously has issues with photographers who don’t live up to her standard of what she thinks a professional should be. What she doesn’t seem to realize is how unprofessionally she’s behaving by posting hurtful messages on YouTube and Facebook in the name of humor.

Do you think “Missy” should be ashamed of herself, or am I over-reacting? How would you feel about your doctor, lawyer or dentist if they engaged in behavior like hers?

Please share your feedback in the comments below.

Edited to add: It has always been my policy to reply to every comment and not to moderate which comments get posted. I am breaking my own rules with this post, and here’s why:

If you choose to be a troll and attack me personally on my own blog while hiding behind an anonymous email address, then you are not welcome to post here.

For example, one anonymous poster accused me of the following regarding the local photography community: stalking them, spreading rumors about them, speaking negatively about them in public and on the internet, and bullying them. Those kinds of accusations just won’t be tolerated here. If you want to be a troll, go do it somewhere else.

I post on this blog under my own name and have nothing to hide. If you can’t afford the same respect for me and the other readers of this blog, then your posts will not be approved.

Add something to the conversation or you’ll be wasting your time by typing into the comment box.

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  • http://www.scottwyden.com scottwyden

    I can’t believe this is a serious video.  Unreal!

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      The problem is that it’s NOT real. She’s pretending to be someone she’s not in an effort to make fun of them. I just don’t understand why she, or any other seasoned professional, cares.

      • Photogohnine

        You mean like writing a whole blog post about the subject? Like that sort of caring….yeah, not sure why either…. lol. 

      • Laniharmon

         The thing that bothers me the most is… what’s her real name? Where’s her website? Why all the hate?
        Thanks. Someone I respect linked to her on FB, and now I’m wondering if that respect is warranted.

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          Dig though all the comments on this post and you’ll find her name, her husband’s name, and a link to his website. Another reader outed her.

  • http://www.jamesbrandon.cc/blog James Brandon

    I think it’s pretty dang funny actually. It’s no worse than something you would see on Saturday Night Live or something like that. Have a sense of humor! If I saw this video when I was just starting out, I think it would have given me a nice kick in the pants to make sure I didn’t fall under the same category of photographer!

    “P for professional” LMAO

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      It’s not funny to those she’s making fun of. What she’s doing is no funnier than the kids in schools who are bullying gay kids.

      • http://www.facebook.com/MSCS.photography Mike Tarsitano

        wow you jumped to another level… 
        She is not making fun of the Gay kid. She making fun of the kid who tells you he goes to Disneyland every weekend. when He actually sits at home watching the Disney chanel.  

        If people whos work SUCKS and they know little to nothing about Photography can call themselves a pro. Then the Pro Photographers who make fun of these people that are FULL of Shite are doing the right thing IMO  

         

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          You obviously have some strong opinions about pro photogs who are more inexperienced than you, and you feel it’s appropriate to bash them. I hope that serves you well in your business, if you are in fact in the photography business. Best of luck to you.

          • Michelle

            The thing is, they are not “pro photogs who are more inexperienced”.  These are people who are playing house, so to speak – undercutting real pro photogs and producing crap work.  Not to mention a vast majority of the $50 and a Disc crowd aren’t paying their taxes and operating legitimate businesses. 

            You may disagree, but to play it to the same level as bullying a gay kid is waaay over the line.  Gay kids are who they are.  An undercutting hack with a camera has full control over what they are doing and they know it. 

          • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

            I can’t even come up with a reply to this. Sorry.

          • Vergmichelle

            her name is cheri frost. her husband is owner of http://www.frankfrost.com in albuquerque, nm. she’s not even a photographer, but i imagine she’s a tad pissed at all the work MWAC have taken from frank over the years. check out his work. i think they need to look INSIDE to fix their problems instead of poking fun and devaluing  ’the little people’. thanks for the article, collin.

          • maya

            you are CORRECT!

          • Egwene3701

            Wow, thanks for the reveal!  I will share this.

          • Resqartist

             You can’t reply because she speaks the truth. I think photographers who are running a legit business and paying taxes are just fed up and are speaking up. I think Missy is hilarious.
             I was running a legit photography business and got tired of all the  50 dollar disc queens out there so have stopped for a while. Back to shooting for the love of it, not going to justify my prices or compete with the drama anymore. Perhaps when I retire from my paramedic job I’ll try again. Oh and by the way you can’t watch old episodes of Emergency buy a stethoscope and be a paramedic, you’ve got to do the time, get it?
             

      • http://twitter.com/kimaldis kim aldis

        Oh come on, you’re kidding, surely.

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          Nope, not kidding. Sorry to disappoint.

          • Dave

            You’re an idiot.

          • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

            Thanks for your intelligent contribution to the conversation, “Dave”.

          • Kim Aldis

            No, really. You have to be kidding. Satire is “bullying”. It’s good satire too. You really need to lighten up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=591460818 Daryl Meek

    Since picking up the camera, I’ve learned as much from other photographers as I have from any other resource.

    I run into people with high end cameras and no real idea of how to use what they have at their disposal regularly. And while I admit I have camera envy from time to time, I NEVER lose the opportunity to share the knowledge with others, that I’ve gained over the years (IF they want to learn).

    It makes the professional photography community look elitist.

    Meanwhile, the most successful photographers I know, are also the ones that are most willing to share their knowledge!

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      I completely agree with everything you’ve said, and I wish I had included this in the post: “It makes the professional photography community look elitist.” That is SPOT ON, Daryl!

    • http://twitter.com/DaydreamPhotog Katherine Weeks

      Completely agree with this comment right down to the most successful being the most willing to share.  I think that is part of what contributes to their success.  My mentor was my mentor because she saw talent in me and literally said  to me “when you want to learn how to use that fancy camera properly come see me”  I was at her office the very next day. She was also a very well known and successful photographer in my hometown.  When I am more established I will make sure to pay it forward to another aspiring photographer, not make fun of them. 

      • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

        Katherine – you are a good person! I hope you stay true to that “pay it forward” promise.

      • Katie

        I’d love to know where you’re finding people who are willing to mentor you. I have asked many photographers to mentor, and they are women who have been in this business for over 15 years, and no one is willing to help. They are all afraid of being copied or turning out a photographer who could be as good as if not better than themselves and who may take away potential clients. So I have had to go it on my own.

    • Resqartist

       I think most Pro Photographers are willing to teach and share their knowledge. I’ve attended many seminars and also had established pros in the area offer help, I think this parody targets the MWAC who thinks “it’s easy” and is not willing to learn, JMHO

  • http://www.sociallyengagedmarketing.com CharityHisle

    I’m not offended – I really find her voice and inflection irritating though. She needs to work on authenticity, she comes off fake. It didn’t seem like she was making fun of anyone to me, more like she’s trying to become a professional and really needs a coach.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Once you understand that she’s is not the person she’s pretending to be, it makes more sense. Every word out of her mouth is intended to poke fun at “moms with a camera”. 

    • http://twitter.com/tombuchheim Tom Buchheim

      Authenticity is a little hard to pull off when you’re posting as a fake person while making fun of others. 

  • http://www.doodlehaus.com Mark Anderson

    Obvious troll is obvious. That’s a lot of energy spent to hate on other people who aren’t as “professional” as she is. 

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Exactly. Imagine if she spent that time doing something productive, like educational videos for MWACs on the topics I listed in the post.

  • http://www.joshuagarity.com/ Joshua Garity

    She is clearly acting out a character, like you said. If I were to only watch this video I would just be annoyed with her. She doesn’t convey enough focused hate toward any party enough to make me care. It’s just stupid and a waste of time.

    That being said, if she has a full series of these (10+) doing this that would be a bit much. And if she did that, there is clearly a motive behind them beyond “hate” or “bullying”. She is marketing something. Whether that be herself so she can have her 15 seconds of fame or if she is trying to impress someone for a job…it’s a bit overdrawn.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Interesting perspective that I hadn’t considered, Josh. I’ll bet she has 10+ videos up on YouTube within the next 30 days.

  • http://toddrjordan.com/thebroadbrush tojosan

    This to me is obviously parody. I’m clueless at to the target though. Likely she is a pro photographer making a goof on those looking to get into the field.

    IMHO being a professional photographer isn’t just about the best camera/tools, or being the most skilled. Being a professional includes working with clients, delivering what’s promised, and setting clear expectations. I’ve met ‘pro’ photographers than can barely get any of those areas right.

    This video does nothing to move folks forward, or encourage those gone pro to share what they’ve learned. Maybe everyone can avoiding feeding the troll and she’ll go away.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      I’m just glad that people are recognizing her as a troll, because she’s constantly complaining about the negative comments she’s getting on her YouTube videos. Eventually, karma will catch up to her. 

  • Anonymous

    I’ve got to side with the “funny as hell” crowd only because I have heard new photographers say and do literally every cliche she covered (only watched the first video). I am far from a snobby photographer but it drive me nuts when I see new, clueless photographers shoot a wedding without bothering to learn the basics of the camera. Not because it makes the industry look bad (I don’t think it does) but because it victimizes real people. I will even fix other peoples’ pictures from other photographers for free because lousy quality and poor customer service make my head explode. (Same reason a lot of the established photographers drive me nuts)

    I love that new people are jumping in to the world of pro photography, I just wish they had respect for their client, and this first video was a very welcome rebuttal to that mentality. If a photographer was offended by this they need to grow some skin because real clients can be a lot more brutal!

    Good post Collin, as usual.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      I guess I don’t get why any truly professional and seasoned photographer would care about “clueless photographers” or the people who choose to do business with them. We all know that you usually get what you pay for, but many of the people Missy is targeting in her videos are hard working people just trying to make a living. 

      • Anonymous

        I think your first point is valid. I cared because I saw the damage these people did to unwary clients who trusted them with their weddings. I disagree with your second point because I don’t think the videos are targeted at new photographers but rather new, unprofessional photographers. With so much good information readily available there is simply no excuse for charging people for ignorance.

        I guess my perspective is, to you moms who picked up a camera and decided to buckle down, hone your craft, and deliver rocking customer service, a) these videos aren’t for you and b) keep it up! To those photographers, moms, newbies, or otherwise, who cut corners, short-change your clients, and peddle crap as gold, I hope you are deeply offended by these videos, enough to shape up!

        Keep up the great posts Collin – yours is one of the very few blogs I subscribe to.

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          That means a lot to me Brad. I’m also very selective about which blogs I subscribe to, so I really appreciate that you’re interested enough to never miss anything I post.

          I also appreciate your thoughtful comments. Be sure to check out the one I got from @wearesoia:twitter who called me a dumb ass!

  • http://www.facebook.com/mr.liquidmocean Billy Mocean

    Clear cut case of over exuberant character mixed with a new camera. I guess she’s been a stay at home mom too long and the corners of the washing machine are all now too rounded, gotta find something else to keep the brain occupied for a few months. The phase will pass and she will find something else, brain surgery maybe? “Thought process, nahhh you don’t need that, some say you do but I just go with it….”

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Do you realize that she’s acting in these videos?

  • Wearesoia

    first off its a joke. no one makes you watch them so you cant possibly be bullied by her unless you make your self keep watching lol. If you feel bullied you are obviously a dumb ass and dont know how to just change pages. People really need to quit being such babies now a days and so PC all the time. She is obviously joking and probably feels some frustration over the fact that some rich soccer mom buys a $5000 dollar camera and calls herself a pro not knowing anything about the craft. This is like buying expensive basketball shoes and saying your a pro without  knowing how to play. I think her point is these people devalue a trade of professionals and might make the general public think that anyone with a big fancy camera is a pro so why pay four grand for this wedding photographer when you can get this lady for two hundred bucks. The difference is one has spent thousands of hours honing a craft and one knows nothing. Of course you get what you pay for. And this is what i think she is making fun of and probably annoys her. If you are a teacher and someone that has no education or experience starts calling themselves a teacher because they read a book that would probably piss off a lot of teachers that had to put the time and education in. Same thing here. I don’t think these inexperienced people with cameras are a threat to photographers because the results can’t be hidden when you buy cheap and your wedding photos are ruined by someone calling themselves a pro. If anything i think it helps pro photographers. But even though i dont agree with her i still understand what she is saying and its context. Maybe it will make some of these people actually understand there is a lot more to being pro then a camera.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      .@wearesoia:twitter Thanks for your intelligent response, Kevin. Normally I’d delete a response like this without a reply, but it’s entertaining so I’ll leave it for others to enjoy. 

      • Kevin

        I’d like to point out that this “Kevin” is not me. Carry on.

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          Obvious enough based on the different approach to commenting!

    • http://www.doodlehaus.com Mark Anderson

      Interesting. So instead of telling people that there’s more to being a photographer than buying a camera, she chooses to spend her energy in thinly veiled mockery of people who are interested in the medium? Seems to me that with the same amount of energy, she could do something more constructive, like lift up other photographers with some constructive criticism and advice. 

      I guess it’s easier to make fun of people. 

      It’s not a matter of being PC. That’s a cop-out phrase. It’s a matter of being constructive vs. destructive. 

      • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

        Not much I can add to what you’ve said, Mark. You’ve nailed it. Thanks for coming back and adding to the conversation. Keep watching. There will be more haters arriving soon.

  • Kevin

    Collin, I wonder if you dug deep enough to consider the possibility that she’s not making fun of the MWACs, but instead, the self-declared “professionals” that dominate youtube with poorly executed instructional videos full of bad info, or maybe even the ”rockstar” female photographers that take the stage at conventions peddling fashion over imagery, and post-production gimmicks over quality capture. Oh yes, they’re out there.

    I see it as satire, a spot-on accurate portrayal of many of today’s newcomers in the profession. If Kristen Wigg was doing this on SNL the world would roar with laughter. Because it’s coming from someone many believe to be within the industry – it’s called bullying. I don’t get it.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      I’d love to dig deeper, but she’s hiding behind her anonymity. I’m sure you’ve watched all the videos and read all of her posts and comments on Facebook, which all make it very clear that she is not making fun of rockstars as much as she’s making fun of inexperienced “moms with a camera.” 

      I’m the only one calling it bullying. She has hundreds, if not thousands, of people who love what she is doing. I’m just here to point out that it’s cruel and to say that every one of them should be ashamed of themselves.

      Thanks for stopping by, reading, and commenting. What I appreciate most is that you took the time to post a constructive comment that can continue the dialog.

      • Kevin

        Where is the line of distinction between satire and cyber bullying? She’s presenting a comedic parody of what much of the industry has become in recent years. The fact that her performance is so darn convincing she has many believing she’s being serious is a validation of the industry’s new reality. I, for one, an not ashamed of myself for recognizing and appreciating the satire and humor presented. And yes, I’d still be laughing if an Internet parody surfaced that offered the opposite perspective that more closely resembles me. In fact – I’ve already served myself up for ridicule in this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/user/photog33?feature=mhee#p/a/u/2/DWT2PhDdFwo

        The world needs a thicker skin and we all need a good laugh now and then. Satire is based on truth. Recognize it, have a chuckle, and move on.  

        • John Paul Kindig

          I agree with Kevin. 

          Collin, from my understanding of your point of view then you must also support ideas that all the kids should win at school age sports and there should be no score keeping. We live in a real world, like my father always said, “life is tough, get used to it” We live in a real world, and not only are these videos funny, but they address a real threat to the photography industry.She is not only funny, but it sadly points out a very real and serious growing problem that is rampant in the “Professional Photography” world.It is not bullying, she is not singling any particular person out, simply addressing a general and wide spread dangerous notion, practice, and mentality that is destroying an industry that I for one love, and has supported me and my family.Heres the issue, the MWAC’s who are infesting this industry are over saturating the business, with a substandard worth ethic, and undercutting the real professionals out there. Its not even about the quality of their images, its everything else!These MWAC’s give their work away, often being bank rolled by their partners. The problem is not the individual MWAC that takes one or two jobs here and there, the problem is that due to the stupid mentality out there today that professional photography is easy! There are hundreds of thousands of MWAC’s that take a job here and there, which takes work away from the real professionals, and takes food of my families dinner table.It’s often times not even about picture quality, some MWACs work I have seen is stunning. The problem is these people do not care in the slightest about helping the rest of the industry maintain any sort of professional standard in every other aspect that it takes to run a REAL photography business.So who is bullying who? I feel bullied into having to lower my prices and work 10 times more, because of the MWAC mentality who have declared photography as FUN and EASY, and give away their work making barely enough to cover their cost of doing business, let alone make a profit, just because they find it FUN!But I don’t generally whine and cry about it like you are in defense of the poor MWAC’s, I just work harder and smarter. Period.The only reason I am even saying something is because of your irrational defense of people practicing “Professional Photography” just like these videos portray. It’s not bullying, when it is an accurate comedic description of a real problem.If you really feel that bad for all the MWAC’s out there, and think their business practices are acceptable, then perhaps you will let me and my family eat at your house tonight, since you obviously have nothing on the line from the treat that this problem places on “REAL PROFESSIONALS”

          • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

            Like your father always said, “Life is tough. Get used to it.” Photography is a competitive business. If someone can offer a product very similar to yours for less money, most people today are going to choose the less expensive option. You don’t have to like it. But you do have to live with it.

          • John Paul

            Yeah your right! So life is tough for all the MWAC’s out there too, and if they can’t stand the heat, or “CYBER BULLYING” as you say then they should get out of the kitchen.

            No one is Cyber Bullying anyone with these videos, its just calling MORONIC BUSINESS PRACTICES what they are MORONIC.

            You choose to ignore every single valid point in any professional photographers argument on the topic, with your liberal, everybody wins in life, care bear attitude.

            You are completely ignorant of the real facts of the situation in our industry, and have put yourself on a pedestal coming the the defense of a group of people that there is no defense for.

            Free education is widespread and offered to these parasites within our industry, the problem is that thousands chose to ignore it because “Photography is so much fun as MIssy MWAC” points out.

            These parasites even in some cases with their work being very good, in particular do not care about making an actual living, they are just having fun, and in 12 months get bored when they realize how much work this business is, then they move on. But there are always 40 more parasites right behind them taking their place.

            I have no problem with the MWAC that has a real desire to learn, and a real desire to bring themselves up to an industry standard of professionalism, and accountability.

            Its the parasites that eventually screw over the public giving us all a bad name, creating mistrust between the public and professional photographer community.

            It’s the parasites that never deliver the wedding albums promised to the couple after taking thousands of dollars from an unsuspecting couple, just because they got bored and moved on to the next “FUN Hobby Business”

            It is these same parasites that shoot thousands of images and create a website with 30 of their best “KEEPERS” misleading the public into thinking they are professional because they got 30 keepers out of 10,000 images and have no idea that professionalism is about consistency. Yet this misleading practices goes on every single day. Alot of these parasites are very good con artists, that are very good at fooling people out of lots of money.

            You sir do not have a clue what you are talking about, and your irrational defense of these types of unprofessional CON ARTISTS that have infested this wonderful industry destroying the lives of some of the most wonderful, hard working, kindest, and most open people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing in my life makes you look like a FOOL and an IDIOT.

            And I am not bullying you either, I would say the same thing to your face. It’s calling a spade a spade.

            I think you have Cyber-Bullying confused with “WHEN THE TRUTH HURTS” Syndrome.

          • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

            This post was about you and people like you, so I wouldn’t expect you to agree with me or to engage in a respectful discussion on the topic.

            The only person destroying your life and your business is you, but I’m glad you are able to watch Missy’s videos and laugh a little. Maybe it will help with your anger issues.

            Before replying with another of your lengthy rants, please review the “Rules of Engagement” here: http://socialposer.com/rules/

      • Kaela

        If you recall your school days where you learned about Satire in English class you would understand what she is doing and wouldn’t call it bullying! Seriously, in class we had a guy write a paper as a “redneck” with the improper English and even the accent. It was satire and simply that. Anyone could say that he was making fun of people from the mid west (considering this was in OKC) but using logic we all knew he was just using satire to tell his story! No one was offended by the satire even though there were kids in that class who legitimately had the thick accent and slang. Please do not look to deep into what she is doing because that’s what causes problems. There are shows and videos all over the place that make fun of people, religion, and life in general and no one goes around saying that the producers and writers are bully’s! To me there is no difference. To me it’s basically videos using satire to tell her story that photography is not as easy as everyone things and you can’t be a professional without knowing your camera. There are a ton of “fauxtographers” out there that need to know this! That way they can either learn and get better or they can find a new profession! They are hindering all of us who actually are professional photographers and the sooner they realize this, the better!

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          I’d be interested in getting more information about how they are hindering you as a professional photographer? Is it really that, or are they exposing you?

  • Brit

    I don’t think she’s going too far.  Here’s the thing, I went to college for photography and a lot of it consisted of “being bullied”, being told your work is “crap” having your work rated with your classmates from best to worst.  Truly delving into the industry is extremely difficult.  There are a lot of people who do exactly what Missy is saying and yes, she is poking fun at them.  Most people in the industry have the ability to laugh at themselves because they are critiqued and criticised on a weekly basis.  If someone can’t laugh at themselves and the industry, they haven’t been in it long enough or probably need to take a long hard look at the faux pas they are making.  These things she is picking at are things that truly do hurt the industry, not just the people shooting but their competitors, similar to how outsourcing to cheaper countries hurts workers here.  It’s not good for the person who is cheap and it’s not good for the pros.  It’s bad all around.

    Are we so up in arms about things like Holmes on Homes?  Where Mike Holmes fixes mistakes made by poor contractors and often trash talks them.  He is pointing out flaws in his industry and is making money and getting media attention for it.  It shows a window into what to look for in contractors and what should be warning signs.  I think you can say similar things about photographers.  If a photographer doesn’t know what shutter speed is or cares more about her appearance than that of her client… perhaps you shouldn’t hire her. 

    • Brit

      I will admit though that having a thicker photographer’s skin might make me a bit biased though!  :) 

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      How did you FEEL when you were in college, and people told you work was crap, etc? After they told you it was crap, did they do anything to help you improve it, or did they post videos on YouTube making fun of you for your lack of knowledge and skills?

      Here’s my feedback on your last sentence – “If a photographer doesn’t know what shutter speed is or cares more about her appearance than that of her client… perhaps you shouldn’t hire her.” Maybe the real issue here is that experienced pros aren’t very good at educating their customers and prospects and selling the value of their knowledge and experience.

      • Brit

        I absolutely agree that education on the subject is key!  I didn’t feel good when being critiqued but I understood it.  If no one told me I was doing things wrong and pretended my photos were beautiful, I’d be way worse off!  Many of us are willing to share their skills, I have two lovely high school students who shadow me and assist me sometimes. 

        But compare photography to a different trade such as carpentry.  If I make birdhouses really well and someone says “Wow, you’re so good at that, you should be a professional carpenter”.  And I pick up some gear and start building really shoddy barns and porches while telling people I’m a pro.. that’s not really right is it?  I again will compare this to shows like Holmes on Homes.  Why is it we can chuckle and poke fun at one industry and not another?  Mike comes in, shows what’s wrong with all these things, says you shouldn’t hire someone just because they’re cheap, etc.  This woman is parodying a popular trend in our industry.  There are TONS of photographers willing to teach, willing to take on assistants, yes it is not always easy to find a good one (just like finding any sort of mentor) but does that mean we also can not find humour in those that do not seek education, mentoring and so forth? 

        For the ONE person I have seen poking fun, there are hundreds if not thousands of photographic help videos.  I needed to brush up on my commercial lighting, I went on youtube and voila!  How to light glass, how to light shiny objects, etc.  All there at my finger tips, all done by awesome pros!  She is not the norm and this is something new to many of us and it made us laugh.  I don’t think it’s comparable to the type of bullying you are talking about.  That’s a tad bit extreme.  Then every time we parody anything like on This Hour Has 22 Minutes, we’re bullying politicians, Tim Horten’s workers, etc.

      • Kelly S.

        I think it’s true, Collin, that professional photographers need to educate their clients… what is the real shame is that there isn’t always the opportunity for us to educate potential clients who just find out from their neighbor or church friend that they are charging next to nothing, and then someone looks at my prices and sees that I charge what a professional (who has invested in professional equipment, education, professional organizations, quality print labs, etc) needs to charge, and they don’t know or understand all of those differences. So they just go with the cheap person without investigating or studying the differences or asking any questions. Now… I still do well enough… I have to trust that there are people out there with a discerning eye who see the difference between professional, quality work and the kind of work that anyone can do with a decent point and shoot in P mode, and there actually ARE enough people who see the difference that I am still making a living. And you can say- no harm done, everyone knows they get what they pay for. But frankly and sadly- that statement isn’t true. They SHOULD know that, but they don’t. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen really, truly horrifyingly bad pictures of newborns or weddings that people are CHARGING FOR, and I feel so sorry for the silly clients who paid someone to do that work for them when SURELY any cousin or grandma they have with a camera could have done as good of a job for them as this person who charged them money. Even worse, for me, is the number of couples I have read about and talked to in person who didn’t understand that you get what you pay for, who went with a cheap wedding photographer because they just thought all “pro photographers” were about the same, and who in the end were completely heartbroken by the poor quality pictures they got from their wedding day (or in some cases, by the fact that they never got pictures at all!). I have even had clients come to me after their wedding and hire me to do a re-do session for them where they dressed up in their wedding attire all over again to have me take some decent pictures for them because they didn’t get ANY decent pictures from their actual wedding day from some cheap photographer. I’m always happy to do that for a client, but I know that those pictures will always remind them how they don’t have any real pictures from their actual wedding day. The real problem with some of these amateur’s just buying their first DSLR and hanging up their “pro” sign is that the industry has made it somewhat easy for them to put up a professional front (you can buy whole ready made websites and marketing kits and packaged logos and everything), and they have NO RESPECT for the IMPORTANCE of the job they are undertaking. 

        I was encouraged to just start up a business when I decided I wanted to be a photographer- I was told I didn’t need to go to school and that lots of people just start and learn as they go. But I didn’t want to be a hack…. I had more respect for my future clients and myself than that- I knew that before I wanted to take on the honor and responsibility of photographing anyone’s wedding, I wanted to know what I was doing and be confident that I would be able to produce beautiful pictures for them.  I spent 60 grand on my photography education because I didn’t want to take the easy route and produce substandard work for people that I could trick into paying me. I am just sad that so many people don’t hold themselves to any kind of standard in the work they are doing and think it is okay to just start charging and keeping their fingers crossed or trusting they can make bad pictures “good enough” in post.  I’m not saying I really like the MWAC attack videos…. I think they really aren’t that funny, and unfortunately too many people miss the sarcasm and think she is serious (which just annoys the photographers who think that, but she might actually be ENCOURAGING this behavior with some newbies!!!).  However, maybe you can see WHY experienced and serious professionals do find the “MWAC”/ amateur phenomenon to be so frustrating and why it makes people angry.  I mentor several budding photographers- I have no problem with people wanting to get into the industry- that was me not that long ago. I just have NO respect for people who just want to start up a business without doing any work first to learn the craft. I think they are disrespectful and damaging to the industry and art that I love and to the clients they are basically robbing (of both money and memories).  Bullying isn’t right and I don’t think her message is a great one, but I certainly understand the anger out there and why some people do appreciate her videos.

  • Lisa

    Actually her husband is a professional photographer. Her name is Cheri Frost. She writes a travel blog and has a personal blog as well. Her husband runs Frank Frost Photography in Albuquerque New Mexico. Maybe, though instead of making fun of them (and that is what she is doing…there are MWAC’s out there who believe her and the joke she is peddling as reality… which begs the question: HOW is this helping the industry??) I can’t help but say, that if professionals are more open about this, and offer REAL guidance to all the newbies out there who think this industry is ‘easy money’ the industry would be better off. It might make them stop and reconsider what being a ‘professional’ means. Will it stop this all together? No. But the fact is as a pro tog myself, I don’t want the clients who want everything on a disc for $100 and who value Picnic’ed images as a quality edit. I don’t think she hit the nail on the head with this one. 

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Very interesting information here, Lisa. Based on this photo on CheriFrost.com I guess it’s safe to say that the veil of anonymity has been lifted. http://www.cherifrost.com/?p=592

      • Bombane

        I realize I am late to the conversation, but I just wanted to add that you allowing her personal details to be posted on your blog could be seen as a form of bullying also. 
        Not sure why you are so upset by her videos. Perhaps with the benifit of a few months since you wrote this original piece and the fact that she has posted many more videos calling out not only the MWAC but the cult of “rockstar” photographers that have invaded the photography industry over the past few years, I am wondering if you have changed your mind about her? 

        Can you not see any merit in her calling out the David Jay’s or the Jasmine Stars of the industry especially given the recent spray and pray debacle? 

        Her intention has always been to highlight a very real and very big problem in the industry namely the rockstars who are telling the MWACs that they can be as big as they want, they too can afford the designer handbags and charge $10,000 for a wedding so long as they pay $1000 to attend their talk at WIPA or buy their products etc.
         The whole industry is at a cross roads and unless people like her (through satire) and through the likes of Gary Fong and Zach Arias who dared to speak up and continue to call them out and hold them accountable there is not going to be an industry for you to defend or for her to parody. 

        You may not like her methods, however, hers is just one way to highlight a very real problem. More people need to speak up. If you don’t like how she goes about it, why don’t you do a post on how you see the industry being able to recover from this, what do you think the solution is? 

        The funny thing is, I think you may actually have a very similar message to her. You just have different ways of delivering it.
        Thanks for the opportunity to comment.

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          No, my mind has not changed.

  • http://www.danwoolf.com Dan

    Collin,
    Thanks for writing this, but I do think that you are over-reacting. In fact, I think the industry needs more of this. Between no0bs giving away hi-res images, hacks teaching workshops, and $500 Craigslist wedding shooters, the craft has been watered down into a shell of its former self.

    Newbies need a wake-up call, and for you to compare it to gay kids that are getting bullied in high school is ridiculous. Have you ever heard of a photographer killing themselves because they were made fun of for not knowing how to shoot manual? That comment was out of line in my opinion.

    I have no problem with someone who wants to get into photography. What I do take offense to are photographers who take short cuts. People who couldn’t care less about learning how to properly use their equipment and do it the right way. This is what MWAC points out with satire and humor. There is no name calling, no name dropping; just a few videos that you choose to watch (and can click away from). Is MWAC the nicest way of letting no0bs know what they are doing is wrong? Of course not, but the world isn’t supposed to be warm and fuzzy.

    As photographers we have a personal responsibility to continue to grow and help our fellow shooters grow as well. The more we continue to do that will ensure the future of our industry. People who are not taking the time to do that are dragging the craft into the abyss and need a reality check.

    Please don’t think that I’m sitting here on my high horse looking down at aspiring shooters. I am no where near where I want to be with my work, but I’m shooting, reading, screwing up, trying again, and making progress. It takes time, and I’m willing to do whatever it takes to be able to pay my bills with a camera.

    If I can take a break from hours of editing to get a laugh from MWAC, bitter wedding photographer, photogzilla, etc, I see no harm in it. After all, it’s the internet. You choose to go on here and click around.

    If that makes me an elitest then so be it. I’m the nicest snob-elitest you’ll ever meet. :)
    All the best,

    Dan

    • Lisa

      I agree with some of this, Dan. But I don’t agree with leading them on. And she is in fact creating brand spanking new MWAC’s because they believe the lie. Which is what I don’t agree with. How about making a series based on HOW to shoot in Manual (exposure triangle) and WHY you should? Discuss what makes a good photo and WHY. Then the basics of composition? And then the basics of lighting?  The cost of doing business? Setting up your business legally (because we all know once the government takes their share, $500 for a wedding is you paying the bride and groom)? Pricing for profit? Once they realize what REALLY goes into being a professional (and these are very glossed over and condensed versions of what you need to know) it would at least make them rethink it. Or go forward and do the work necessary to call themselves such. I just don’t think this was the answer to the problem.

      • Candy

        Lisa, 
        All that info is out there.  It’s readily available for those who want to take the time to do it right.  Unfortunately, many choose to ignore it and really don’t care.  Those are the one to whom MWAC attack is speaking.  Try going on forums and FB groups and giving newbies advise and/or professional critique.  You’ll get a lot of excuses.  I’ve had highschool students who have set themselves up as pros ask to follow me around during sessions, but when I said I’d rather help them with their technical skills, they quickly disappeared.  We’re a lazy, want it now society.  I’m sure photography isn’t the only industry that’s being destroyed by this attitude, but it’s our industry, so it’s the one we defend.

        • Lisa

          It is out there. But making videos like this ENFORCING the issues that are plaguing the industry, isn’t helping. Its giving them the green light, like this is how its done!! GO DO IT. And we, as professionals, can see that this is satirical, but those who are just starting this journey, can’t. And they are buying it, hook, line and sinker. Which is perpetuating the problem. A lot of these ladies don’t KNOW where to start. They don’t know what they are looking for. I’m not making excuses, and I am not an MWAC either (just in case you are wondering). I went to school, studied film, shot on a 4×5, developed the film, made my own prints, learned to see color by shooting color film and viewing the prints (which we also made ourselves) in a daylight balanced light booth, I studied composition, lighting techniques for portraiture, lighting product, shot with continuous lights and studio strobes (from 1 light and reflectors, to over 6 lights with cards for adding and subtracting light  etc etc). That doesn’t make me better than anyone else, but it does make me understand the basics of what goes into making a great photo.
          That being said, I completely understand some of them will sit there with their fingers in their ears going LA LA LA LA, and not listen to a word (after all they know what they are doing right)? And I believe the art in photography has gotten lost in the last 10 years. But I do believe that if Missy would take the audience she has and REALLY educate them, then it could be great. Because she has their attention and they trust her. Just my two cents. I agree with a lot of what you said. But I still believe that she isn’t helping the issue any.

          • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

            It’s so nice to see that I’m not alone in my opinions, Lisa. Thanks so much for being willing to contribute to the conversation in a constructive manner. I really appreciate it, and hope you find great success in your business and your life.

            I do disagree on one of your points, though. You noted that you believe the art in photography has gotten lost in the last 10 years. I don’t think that’s the case at all. The problem is that there’s a lot more photography out there because today you can shoot better photos with a phone than you could shoot with a high-end digital camera 10 years ago, so you have to dig through a much bigger haystack to find the rare needle. 

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          Can I assume you are the same “Candy” who gave such helpful feedback to this very real “mom with a camera” who was asking for Missy’s advice? http://socialposer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mwac1.png

      • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

        What’s really unfortunate is that you’re right Lisa. For example, check this out from Missy Mwac’s Facebook profile: http://socialposer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mwac1.png

        A “mom with a camera” asked a question, genuinely seeking advice. Unfortunately, that’s not exactly what she got. This poor woman has no idea what Missy and her “friends” are doing to her.

        • Amanda

          I would agree that those replies are inappropriate.  People who are asking serious questions should be redirected to places where they can get real answers.  But in my opinion, it’s hard to have a lot of sympathy for someone who has “clients”, and is charging people for photography, working on marketing, etc. and saying something like “When I shoot in P that means I’m shooting in RAW.”  WHAT???  One read through the camera manual would clear that one up.

        • Jamienstallings

          You do realize that Rachel was joining in on some fun from a latest video?!! She is a real pro and not a MWAC sealing genuine advice. ..

    • http://www.doodlehaus.com Mark Anderson

      Seems like a lot of energy to be expending tearing people down rather than building them up. The line of n00bs is long, and they keep coming. Are you going to help them or just be a douche?

      • http://www.danwoolf.com Dan

        I do help guys and girls in my area who want to learn how to use their camera and start their photography business. It’s important to me to help all of us get better. I learn things from them as well. It’s great. Please read my post again Mark, I’m not tearing folks down. I know I contribute. I’m more frustrated at people being lazy and thinking that they are entitled to things they did not put the time in for. Just work for it. It’s not rocket science. Please, feel free to keep calling me names though. Let me know once you have a valid point to make.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      First, I really appreciate your intelligent contributions to the conversation, Dan. Really, I do. It gives me hope. 

      With that mind, I have a serious question. Why do you care about “no0bs giving away hi-res images, hacks teaching workshops, and $500 Craigslist wedding shooters”? Why do you care about “photographers who take shortcuts”? Just because someone doesn’t use their equipment the same way as you, does that mean it’s not the “right way”? What if it’s the right way for them? What if their customers are satisfied with the product they get for the money they paid?

      I’ll admit that I’m a little disturbed by your comment that “the world isn’t supposed to be warm and fuzzy.” Maybe I’m a dreamer, but why not try to make the world a better place, if you can? You said it yourself – “As photographers we have a personal responsibility to continue to grow and help our fellow shooters grow as well.” It’s too bad “Missy” doesn’t feel that same sense of responsibility.

      • http://www.danwoolf.com Dan

        Why do I care? It de-values the craft in my opinion. I’m pissed about it. There are a ton of other photographers that feel the same way, but they are too scared to upset anyone by saying something. “Don’t rock the boat, right?”
        Collin, do you really look at the world with rose colorerd glasses? Please don’t take offense to this. The world is tough. Horrible things happen every day. You need to have a thick skin to be successful. Not every kid can get a trophy when they play little league. Sometimes you win. Most of the time, you lick your wounds, and live to fight another day. It’s the same thing when people ask my opinion when they show me their work.  I tell them what they are doing right, and what they need to work on. There is no way I’m going to coddle them when constructive critisism is what helps them grow. Not having everyone telling them how “amazing” they are.

        Again, if I want to check out MWAC, or any other source of entertainment here on the interwebs, it’s my choice. I enjoy it. I take it with a grain of salt.In the end there is a balance to be had. I’m not perfect, but I know that my intentions are good. I’m on a tangent here, but I appreciate you asking the questions Collin. It’s important for all of us to self-reflect once in a while.Cheers,

        Dan

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          I wouldn’t say that it “de-values the craft” as much as it exposes those who are over-charging for their products and services. 

          The tools needed to capture, edit and store images are now affordable to the masses, which means the seasoned pros are now competing with the masses. The digital camera in my iPhone is 4X better than the first digital camera I bought about 10 years ago for over $1,000. There are hundreds of free apps that allow me to add some “pizzaz” to my photos, easily taking the attention off of their flaws. 

          Your little league trophy example is interesting. I agree that there should be winners and losers in sports. I also think there should be good sportsmanship. I don’t expect the winners to make fun of the losers because they spent less on their uniforms, didn’t have a good coach, didn’t practice as much, etc. Take your trophy, smile, and get your ass back to practice, because every team will be gunning for you next year.

  • John Vizcarrondo

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  • Candy

    Collin,
    Your blog is called Social Poser and your tag line is “Putting the posers in their place.”  Hmmmm….sounds kinda like what Missy Mwac is doing, you bully you.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Ironic isn’t it?

      Of course, I don’t hide behind my anonymity, pretend to be someone I’m not, and I offer constructive suggestions in an effort to help people rather than tearing them down.
      Otherwise, you’re right – Cheri, er, I mean Missy and I are exactly the same.
      Thanks for stopping by, reading and commenting. I appreciate it, Candy.

  • Joy

    i don’t think she is making fun of MWAC’s as much as she is picking on those who call themselves “professionals” and don’t know how to use the settings on their camera or have thought through business essentials.  Its like someone calling themselves a hairstylist because they bought a pair of scissors and a cape. 

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      One quick question, Joy. Would you agree that a person who gets paid to do something is a professional? 

      Actually, I also have a second question. Why do you care about someone else’s knowledge of a camera’s settings or business essentials?

      • Photogougher

        I only care because people who purport to be professional and can’t shoot their way out of a wet paper bag, don’t use one professional tool, aren’t paying taxes, or using a tax ID and are not accounting for any business costs, can take income from those who are….

  • Stephanie

    Congrats!  You’re making her the Rockstar she says she is. 

    Collin, you are a hypocrite.  You are the bully. YOU are specifically attacking one person.  You are calling her out for bullying the wrong thing.  She is challenging a misconception in our industry.  And that misconception is that photography is easy.  If she was a man, she would be Uncle Bob.  I don’t see it as an attack specifically on MWACs. 

    If she upsets you, if she’s challenged you, then maybe the truth hurts and the industry needs to look at where it’s going…

    We are at a time in our country where the idea of easy and unprepared has put us in a lot of bad situations.  We see that on Wall Street, we see that in government, we even see that in photography.   Thank goodness that as photographers we’re only dealing with peoples memories and personal legacy and not their lives.  But that still doesn’t make it wrong to want to  have pride in our work and do it correctly.

    Kudos to “Missy” for having the guts to address it and make us all laugh at the same time.   

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      You’re right, Stephanie. I’m a hypocrite and a bully for challenging elitist photographers to be better people. 

      You’re also right that the truth hurts. The truth I’m talking about is that so many photographers who preach about the industry are so willing to tear down other people simply because they don’t have the same equipment, training, education, etc. 

      I’m sure you’re also right about our country, Wall Street, the government, etc, but I’ll leave those topics for the experts to comment on.

      Thanks for stopping by and adding to the conversation. I appreciate your opinion. 

      • Stephanie

        Collin – You’re right.  There are people that tear other people down for not being as good as they are or to make themselves look better.  Unfortunately we see that way too often in too many aspects of our society. 

        But there are also people who are claiming to be photographers than should not be.  Those that think it is easy to be a photographer are setting themselves up for a lot of hurt and failure.   A successful photographer that can support a family must  have to have a good understanding of photography and business. 

        I’m also curious, what’s your story, why so much hate for “elitist” photographers. There is a lot of negativity here.  In many ways this whole blog seems like an attempt to tear down someone who has done you wrong instead of going out and championing the good in the world.  Perhaps I’m wrong.  I hope so. 

        We’re photographers, we’re not going to cure cancer or save the world.  But no matter where we are in the process, we should have pride in our work to learn our craft and be the best that we can be.  That is a message I support wholeheartedly.

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          You said “There are people who are claiming to be photographers than should not be. Those that think it is easy to be a photographer are setting themselves up for a lot of hurt and failure.” First, why do you care who calls themselves a photographer? Second, why do you care if they set themselves up for failure? I just don’t get it.

          My story has nothing to do with this. Until a commenter posted her real name above, I had no idea who Missy was or what her real story was. I don’t care. I just think tearing down a whole class of others (MWACs) in the profession you claim to love is counter-productive. Perhaps she should take your advice and “champion the good in the world” instead of tearing others down. 

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Yeah, kudos to Missy for creating an anonymous profile and making fun of other people. That’s a sure path to being a rockstar!

  • owen robinson

    Cherie is a GENIUS, satiricaL comedy at its finest … not bullying at all in my opinion, just entertaining, and sooo good that a whole load of pro photographers thought she was for real …… GENIUS, not BULLY

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Thanks for stopping by and sharing your opinion Owen. I appreciate it. I knew within the first minute of the first video that she was acting. I’m shocked that anyone would be gullible enough to fall for the act.

      • Keith Carey

        Collin, I know I am a “little late” to the thread but found it doing a search today. You mention earlier in your comments that you are bothered by her because people who want to learn more as photographers think she is giving real advice and their poor little feelings might be hurt when they find it is a mockery. Now you say you spotted her as a fake in a minute and can’t believe anyone would fall for her act.

        If her “act” is so unbelievable then it is obviously parody. What concerns me is that there are people in the “photography business” who dupe people into thinking they are professionals. I have close friends who have wedding shots that are crap. I have kids who received horrible senior pictures. I know a guy who is a “professional” and takes mediocre shots at best because he doesn’t have an eye for composition and lighting.

        I find the videos incredibly funny personally. She is opening peoples eyes to the fact that owning a D.S.L.R. camera doesn’t make you a pro.

        As a general contractor we run into this all the time. A guy buys a hammer and now he is a builder. Not that simple. I believe she is making a statement and it is being done with humor and done effectively.

  • Mary B.

    I LOVE MISSY!

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Of course you do, and you’re not alone.

      • Jerry berkel

        Hey Collin, I would just like to extend to you the courtesy of my services. I completely agree with you. I am new into the medical field. I purchased a surgical kit off of ebay last month and since that time ive watched a few videos on youtube and I am now offering Professional Surgical Services for $200 a surgery. It doesnt matter what type of surgery, I will do them all. My prices are low because I am still learning but be rest assured “I AM  PROFESSIONAL” and will do my best to serve you. :))

  • Angi

    Sounds like you fell for the trolling are are just a little upset and so you are bullying Missy. I think she is hilarious and if you can’t see the humor in these videos, you, my friend, need to lighten up.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate your opinion, Angi. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/bring.it.to.win.it Heather Kittle

    Hmm. How would I feel if my dentist, doctor or lawyer created a video like this?  

    I think I would be in tears, because it would be hysterical. Just because I have a stethoscope, some gloves and hand sanitizer, does NOT qualify me to give you your physical- just like if you own  a camera.. it doesn’t make you a photographer. 
    Missy is Brilliant!  :) 

  • Photogohnine

    “Aren’t adding anything to the conversation” is apparently Collin-speak for “are not agreeing with me”

    Lame. 

    Missy MWAC is exactly what this industry needs…someone to pull the veil off the bull-dookie and call a spade a spade. I guess it’s just spades that are going to get their little panties in a bunch about it. 

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      I stated an opinion, asked for comments, and have had some great discussions here with people who both agree and disagree. If you want to have an intelligent conversation on either side of the issue I’ll be happy to engage. It’s your call. So far, it looks like you just want to be a troll.

    • TiredofMSMlies

      Yes, because shooting yourself in the foot is always a great idea.

  • Realtimeaudio

    Collin, “Missy’s” satire is right in line with the Phil Hendrie radio show. I think her character is right in line with what many people really believe about photography. It is like Spinal Tap for photogs. If she was bullying she would be specific and pointed with her comments. This is satire pure and simple. There are plenty of folks who buy digital cameras and fully follow Missy’s example.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      I never said it wasn’t satire. I said it was cruel. I stand behind that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rikandes Rik Andes

    Did anyone else read Jonathan Swift’s A Modest Proposal (http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html) in high school? His effort was to produce something that stirred a reaction in people, to get them to change something. Did he honestly want people to start eating children? Goodness, no. Would some people, perhaps, have misinterpreted his satire as sincere effort? It’s possible. Did anyone worry about him bullying the rich because they were complaining about so many poor people being around? I doubt it. Do we feel sorry for the rich because they got lambasted so thoroughly? I hope not.

    I think the trouble here is that we are worrying about the feelings of someone who has started a business without investing the time to acquire the necessary skills, and they are taking hard-earned money from people who don’t know the difference between professional photography and “professional” photography. Yes, if you earn money from some activity, you can be called a professional, but if you don’t put the time into gaining the skills to perform your job well, you earn the quotation marks.

    As has been mentioned, she’s not specifically throwing anyone under the bus in her videos. I haven’t been on her facebook page to read how people are responding to the individuals who believe she is real, and perhaps that’s where the line should be drawn–those are the people who need the education, not to be lead on in the delusion. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to be a professional photographer–greater supply motivates those who want to succeed and last to hone their skills and differentiate themselves from the crowd–but there is definitely a wrong way to go about it. Missy/Cheri is simply satirizing those that try to take the easy way as a group.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Thank you so much for your comments Rik. 

      You said “…we are worrying about the feelings of someone who has started a business without investing the time to acquire the necessary skills…” First, you may be worried about their feelings, but Missy and most of her disciples certainly aren’t. Second, what are the “necessary skills”? Who defines them? As I see it, if “moms with a camera” have happy customers, then they’ve acquired the necessary skills to satisfy their market. If their work sucks, word will get out, people won’t hire them and their business won’t survive. If they don’t charge enough to sustain a thriving business, they’ll go broke and move on to something else.For an example of how Missy and her disciples are responding to real people with real questions, check this out: http://socialposer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mwac1.png

      • Candy

        Well Collin, you’re only supplying part of the thread.  If you continue, you’ll see that some of us did give a serious answer, but I’m not sure she got it.  It’s deceptive of you to not post the entire thread.

        Also you’re missing the fact that Missy is poking fun at all the people who are profitting from newbies who don’t know better.  Those who are setting themselves up as teachers and creating a market for their workshops, workbooks, webinars, etc.  Unfortunately, many people will spend thousands of dollars to attend workshops and come away with very little useful information. These people are taking advantage of the flood of inexperienced newbies entering the market.  Are they just smart business people taking advantage of a hungry market?  Perhaps.  But I believe those who set themselves up as teachers, yet have very little training and knowledge need to have their feet held to the fire.

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          I supplied enough of the thread to make my point, and at the time I got the screen shot, nobody, including you, offered anything helpful. Even you waited 24 hours to tell the poor woman “This is all tongue in cheek, but seriously, your camera manual will help you a lot and show you how to change from raw to jpeg.”

          Congratulations! You’ve proven that you have a conscience.

          • Candy

            Really?  You posted it at 10:21a.m., but someone provided info 19 hours ago – according to FB – which would be closer to midnight last night.  But it seems that it’s okay for you to provide half truths as long as they support your point.  Nice.

          • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

            You’re right, I’m the bad guy here. I shouldn’t expect people to treat others with respect.

  • davidejackson

    Here’s my two cents: Photographers are too sensitive. This is satire, not bullying.

    Solution: It’s simple… Go make some pictures. Quite worrying about other people. Make yourself happy. 

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Thanks Dave. That’s exactly my point. “Go make some pictures. Quit worrying about other people.” How about this – be part of the solution, not part of the problem?

      • Michelle

        Dave MOST DEFINITELY is part of the solution.  He is one of the most giving guys I know, who really goes out of his way to extend his knowledge to other photogs. 

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          Amen

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=804778585 Patricia Ann Mahoney

    I’m a professional photographer and I think “Missy is adorable.” She is actually quite funny and a good actress. Lighten up.

  • Nickgphoto

    Collin, you seem too eager to assign a label to this person. A very inflammatory, hateful label.

    Is there something more “behind the scenes” we don”t know about?

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Get to the point, Nick. What do you want to know?

      • Nickgphoto

        Why such a rush to judgement?
        You very quickly have thrown the word “bully” around. And yet you get very hostile to anyone that disagrees with you.
        Do you have a history or a background with this person that you are on the attack and trying to demonize her?
        It seems like a personal vendetta.

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          Nope. I’ve never heard of her. I’m just tired of listening to “seasoned” pro photogs bashing those with less experience. I’ve been in their shoes, and in many ways I still am, and I’m tired of being judged by the camera I use, the prices I charge, where I am in my education, etc.
          I choose to do photography part-time, basically getting paid for a hobby I love. My customers are all very happy with my work. Most of them are repeat customers as well. I have actually taken down my website and my facebook page and stopped marketing my business because I have more than enough referrals to keep me busy. 

          The local haters see this as a failure, yet they know nothing about my business. For example, here’s a post from one my local haters on Missy’s Facebook page: http://socialposer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mandie_haberman_red_gecko_studios.png

          Shall I continue?

          • Nickgphoto

            Um, you do kinda come off over the top.
            Sorry for the grief you’ve gotten.
            It’s a shame you can’t see the other side of the argument though.

          • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

            What makes me sad is how some people can’t see my side of the argument. I see both sides just fine, and am very happy with the side I’ve chosen.

  • Michael McHugh

    Missy and MWAC is a comedy. She would be well suited on a Cable Reality TV show. As a 30 plus year professional I find her comedic video just that comedic. Her time would be well spent at a stand up comedy venue.

    She is not to be taking seriously. All of the true professionals who will read this I know will agree. Just keep doing what you are doing in your field of expertise and laugh out loud at this very satirical Missy.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Thanks for stopping by, reading, and commenting Michael. I appreciate your perspective.

  • Rodstiffman

    I want to have babys with her

  • Justin G

    That’s pretty funny coming from you, who practices cyber bulling.

  • Kenausril

    For one I think it is dead on funny as heck….its a true representation of the industry now..BULLYING I think not, its satire and its dead on..

    Collin I also read some not all of your responses and I one thing I read that was kind of interesting is your saying your getting paid for a hobby, I dont know of any other hobby that people do that they get PAID to do, its either a hobby or a job…and thats where the professionals who do this as a job get irritated with “this is just for fun or a hobby so I dont need to charge really any real money cause its all for fun mentality”…if its a hobby then keep it as a hobby no need for business cards, web site, marketing etc or the professional photographer label…Ive never heard of a professional stamp collector :)

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Interesting perspective on the hobby discussion. For me, it WAS a hobby. I decided, like many, to turn it into a business. I’ve invested in the equipment I NEED to make the images MY CUSTOMERS want, the website where I host my customer galleries and fulfill their orders, business cards, an accountant, attorney, insurance policy, etc. I’ve also invested a tremendous amount of time and money into learning what I need to know in order to run a business, shoot and edit images, etc.

      Just because I don’t choose to do it full time or invest more money into more equipment, etc, doesn’t make me any less of a “professional”. It just makes me a different professional.

      Thanks for contributing to the discussion! I appreciate it very much.

  • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

    I am now breaking my own rule and moderating all comments on this post. Here’s why:

    If you choose to be a troll and attack me personally on my own blog while hiding behind an anonymous email address, then you are not welcome to post here.For example, one anonymous poster accused me of the following regarding the local photography community: stalking them, spreading rumors about them, speaking negatively about them in public and on the internet, and bullying them. Those kinds of accusations just won’t be tolerated here. If you want to be a troll, go do it somewhere else.I post on this blog under my own name and have nothing to hide. If you can’t afford the same respect for me and the other readers of this blog, then your posts will not be approved.

  • Cwalkermarie

    Honestly, I’m in a couple of photog groups scattered around the net and I see real people exactly how she acts. I can’t help but laugh and be glad someone is actually saying what some are thinking. But yeah I can see how it’s mean.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Thanks for your input, Cwalkermarie. I appreciate it.

  • Troy

    Collin, I’m a guy..like you…and also a BroWAC …and can laugh hystercially at this, because I embody these mistakes with gratitude…and grew from this LOVING place.  Now to attach trigger words such as cyber bullying to this lady….pretty harsh coming from such an elite place as you claim with all of your social graces, wouldn’t ya think?  Makes me wonder if your post isn’t actually using the “bully” card to bully.  I served in the great United States Navy Submarine force, and defended her RIGHT to laugh at ME…while I laugh with her…but the choice to wheter I’m being bullied lies with me…not you.  Thanks for listening.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      When did I claim to come from an elite place and to have social graces? No need to answer. You’re not welcome to comment here anymore.

  • Steve

    Satire?  Yes.  Mean???  Try hilarious!    Missy, you rock.  You are funny and gorgeous and brilliant and accurate.  You are Saturday Night Live for photographers and I wanna know why have you kept us waiting so long?!?  Come back, Missy, I miss you………..

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      I think gorgeous and brilliant are a stretch. Funny? To some, yes. To others, no. 

  • Aprilcullett

    Collin, you say nothing is known about her yet you make some crazy statements as if you do. I have been a professional photographer for 11 years and know lots of them, and the great thing about Missy is that she steps on all of our toes. I LOVE her sense of humor!!! Saturday Night Live is way more offensive in its everyday cracks of humor yet we are focusing on her?? You asked a question if you were overreacting and I would like to politely answer, “most definitely”.  Cyber bullying is a real issue but not here my friend, and I think if you asked someone who has really been bullied you will find this out. This is just plain funny that;s all, and if people are offended then they might want to look at their skills… for real.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Nope. I’ve never heard of her before this, and only found out who she was when someone commented on this blog with her name and the name of her husbands photography business. 

  • Minnie

    “inexperienced professionals”?!?!

    Isn’t this an oxymoron?
    I for one would never become a professional at anything, and start a business in a field I didn’t have any experience, or knowledge in.  Not only is that silly, completely laughable, and thoughtless, it’s also kind of rude and disrespectful to other professionals in the field, don’t you think?

    I for one would like to see even more people calling these “fauxtogs” out for what they are. Inexperienced frauds that belittle and demean an industry/craft that I respect and hold very dearly, while ripping unsuspecting people off.  If comedy/satire is a way to make the public and the fauxs more aware of what they are doing, I’m all for it. 

    These people are starting a business, and accessorizing before they even open the box their camera came in.  It’s funny PERIOD, and I think she nails that type of mentality that’s been spreading like wild fire.
    You have to remember too that these people don’t always have a real interest in photography.  If they did, they wouldn’t be so flippant about the substandard work they produce.  I’m not saying they don’t have feelings, but to them just is just a fad, a wim, and as soon as someone complains or they run into an issue with the quality of their work being questioned, they will quit and move on to something else.

    I just can’t see anyone who really took their photography seriously starting a business, based on photoshop actions, shooting in auto, printing at walmart, or any of the other silly things these “inexperienced professionals” are doing in droves. 

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Congratulations. Your comment has the most generalizations about inexperienced pro photogs. This post may have been more about you than it was about Missy.

      • Minnie

        Collin,  I think you may have just made a new fan by typing this comment, and how you have handled this whole discussion/topic without losing content or your integrity.

        It’s hard not to use generalizations when you are trying to make a point quickly, and in a comment/reply box.  It’s true that I generalized, and things aren’t so black and white out there.  There IS a lot of talent out there, and people with lot’s of potential, but do you think people ONLY realize their talent or full potential by complements and encouragement alone, or does harsh criticism play a role as well?  What motivates a person to learn more, being told that what they are doing is fantastic “Keep it up”, or being told you need to step up your game because what you are currently doing isn’t cutting it?
        Who’s more likely to search out knowledge, tips, and ways to improve their photography and/or business?

        Let’s say I’m one of the people that gets offended by “Missy”‘s video, and feels made fun of, and it hits me way too close to home.  What do I do?  How do I react? 

        Ignore it and continue to do what I do

        Cry, scream, pull my hair out, and quit

        Self examine, make changes to my business, and try to improve the quality of my work and work ethics.

        Let’s just say, I doubt it will get ignored, and I don’t think anyone with serious potential and a true interest in photography will quit.

        We all want the same outcome here Collin.  “Missy” just goes about it differently than you do, and I have a feeling it may just have more impact

        • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

          Glad to have you as a fan, Minnie. I’m not the bad guy here. Seriously… think about it.

  • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

    Thanks Monique. I knew I wasn’t alone.

  • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

    Apparently you haven’t read my profile. I’m not the general public. I’m a real photographer. My advice? Focus on your own business, and quit worrying about what others are doing. If they are taking business away from you, then you probably need to make some changes to your business practices. Quit blaming others.

  • Michele

    I know exactly who she is; she’s not a photographer but her husband his a big shot so she thinks she has the right to do what she does, but really she just has too much time on her hands.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Review the comments. I don’t care m much about Missy’s real identity, but another commenter identified her. 

  • hniel

    What makes this not funny is that she considers herself, or her husband, a professional photographer and she’s done this parody out of spite, not out of humor. Plus, she has turned off people who love their photographs by these MWACs. I know photos I get for cheap are generally not as high quality, or artistic, as one I would get if I paid a lot more $$, but I love them because they’re my family. When I do decide to dish out the money to get nicer photos done, I surely won’t be going to her company.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate your input.

  • Amanda

    Bullying?  Really?  Is Saturday Night Live considered bullying now, too?  I am probably considered a MWAC – I am a mom, and like many, have found that I can earn income by photography.  However, I didn’t charge anything until I had a deliverable that was worthy of someone’s money, and I took the time to learn what I was doing – and I think these are just what they are intended to be, just for fun.  I lived through bullying in middle school and I can promise you, this is not even close.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      I love all the people mentioning SNL. It makes me laugh. I also love that you didn’t charge anything for a while. I’m sure Missy would love to hear about that so she can make a video about it.

  • Mainelyphotos

    I think she’s hilarious!  I’m a MWAC and I’m not offended in the least bit.  I can sympathize with the frustration these professionals have with all of the people coming on to the scene and thinking they can start a pro business because they have a “nice” camera.  Do I believe you have to have a degree in photography to become a photographer, no.  Ansel Adams’ only “education” in photography was working in a photo lab one summer (or something like that).  You can have a degree and suck as well as not have a degree and do incredible work.  If you troll Facebook, there are a number of “cheap” photographers whose work is laughable, but there are many self-taught photographers who are fabulous.  I got my DSLR almost three years ago, and I did a lot of research and read a ton of books before I even started posting my work, which was about 9 months ago).  Is my work the best?  No!  Is it good?  I’m confident with it.  With that said, I fully realize that I’m very limited in what I can do, so I only do outdoor senior portraits and outdoor family photography.  I get frustrated at the people who dare advertise their services and show up at someone’s wedding with a kit lens and take awful pictures and then charge thousands of dollars.  I wouldn’t even attempt a wedding unless I had a D3 and a 24-55mm f/2.8 and 70-200 f/2.8 (I already have the 50mm f/1.4).  I have been mentored by a professional photographer and know full-well what my limitations are.  You have to be able to post your work and let people critique the snot out of it.  I find the ones who shoot in auto mode and jpeg (which there are lots) are the ones who can take absolutely no criticism.  After all, we learn from our mistakes, right.  

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      All your generalizations aside, I have to take issue with this comment: “You have to be able to post your work and let people critique the snot out of it.” This isn’t true at all. If you have a photography business, all you really have to do is satisfy the needs of your customers. There’s no requirement to post, allow criticism, etc. I will never understand why so many photographers give a damn about what other photographers are shooting, charging, etc.

  • http://www.melanierosephotos.com melrose

    I should start out by saying that when I watched the first video last week, I did think it was funny, even if a bit mean. Since then, I think that each video she posts gets more annoying and less conducive to the industry. 

    I stumbled upon your blog post when trying to figure out the real identity of Missy, assuming she was a pro photographer. I was curious and eager to see the quality of her work (also assuming she was very talented and had her shit together, business wise), since she so easily makes fun of others. Obviously, now I know that she isn’t even the photographer, which makes this even more troublesome. 

    I never criticize another person’s work, unless I am explicitly asked to by the photographer – at which point I only try to help. It’s absolutely not my place to say anything else. Who am I to judge? The only work I am critical of is my own, which has made me that much better over the years. Maybe she should focus her apparent extra time and energy on positive marketing for her husband’s photography business – or get a hobby of her own.

    As an established professional (in NYC no less, where the “professionals,” i.e., anyone who can afford to walk into B&H and buy a Rebel, run rampant), I understand the frustration she is trying to convey, but find it totally unnecessary to post an entire web video series on the topic and now that I’m seeing what is happening on her Facebook page, I’m appalled. Along with her fans, she is sabotaging these amateur/”prosumer” photographers and putting them at a disadvantage to even learn properly. How is misguiding a person going to benefit anyone? 

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      It’s nice to know I’m not alone out here, Malanie! Thanks for your willingness to post your opinion even when it’s not with the perceived majority. We’re on the right side of this issue and can feel good about ourselves for that.

  • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

    On the flip side, not everyone with a Rebel shoots bad photos either.

  • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

    Stupid?

    $50?

    High school popularity contest?

    Most don’t pay taxes?

    Most moms with cameras don’t care about learning anything?

    $5 clients? 

    Could you possibly be any more angry? Are YOU Missy Mwac?

  • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

    “The amateurs targeted by Missy are probably not going to get the point of her satire”? Seriously? Why not just say amateurs are stupid?
    Are you Missy Mwac?

  • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

    So if I understand you correctly, you are saying a person can’t be a professional photographer unless they are an expert and know everything about equipment and technique? 

    This is going to be sad news for many pros.

    I also don’t have to prove anything I say, but if you were paying attention to all of the previous comments, you’d know exactly who she is, what she does, and who the photographer is in her family. 

    As far as my “marketing”, I haven’t really done any at all. You, Missy, her Facebook fans, members of several discussion forums, etc have done it all for me. This is the most read and commented on post I’ve ever had. Thanks for contributing to the discussion.

    I’m not sure what the hell you’re referring to when you accuse me of attacking people based on their sexual orientation. Can you provide any proof? Do you have any facts to back it up? Of course you don’t. You don’t know the first thing about me!

  • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

    I assume you mean you posted that comment on YouTube? If that’s the case, then yes, it will never see he light of day. Unlike me, ‘Missy’ doesn’t seem to like publishing comments from those who dislike what she’s doing. I also agree that people hoping to get into photography could be turned off by attitudes like those of Missy and her supporters. That’s the whole point of my post, I guess. They claim to love their profession while at the same time they are tearing a whole class of other professionals (MWACs).

  • Deborahscott

    I’m new to photography, and guess I would be considered a GWAC (grandmother with a camera). I’m really enjoying my new hobby. I’ve been trying to learn all I can, and have been curious about the state of photography with the affordable DSLRs on the market. When I stumbled onto Missy and her MWAC attack videos, I must say I found them incredibly hilarious; however, what I don’t think is particularly funny is the negativity it has bred on her Facebook page. I have not “Friended” her, but there are no privacy settings. All I can says is, WOW.!!! Seriously? We live in a changing world. Photography isn’t the only career that has been challenged by new technology. I’m all for handling change creatively, but there is nothing creative about the type of bashing that is going on over there. Do I personally see this as bullying? Yes. What I don’t see is how this type of humor can be constructive for the REAL photographers wasting time and energy getting all riled up on Missy’s Facebook page over the current state of the industry.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Yes, Deborah. Missy’s Facebook friends are a real disappointment. What’s interesting is that all of their comments are very public. I wonder what their customers, if they have any, would think of their attitudes towards other professionals in their industry.

  • http://loveablehomebody.blogspot.com/ Ashley

    I didn’t interpret MWAC’s work as bullying amateurs or MWAC in general or that she’s elitist; her satire makes it pretty clear to me that she’s targeting a certain group of amateurs/MWAC: those who purport to be good at the craft when they aren’t, claim photography is easy when it isn’t, give damaging advice and do poor quality work for their customers. These practices are dishonest, unethical and so fair game for her satire — an effective strategy for pointing out flaws.

  • geckoproof

    My opinion: In any profession, one rule of thumb is to ‘punch your weight’ or even to punch above your weight as you are able.  If this person is so troubled or annoyed by the throngs of professional-photographers-with-a-”P” presumably still in the feather weight division – perhaps she can turn her eye to the heavy weights that I can only guess she aspires to (or images she already is).  Same for her fans.

    As entertainment – well, she’s funny for about one video, but the schtick wears thin quickly.  

    Beyond that – it’s like anything else on the internet that doesn’t suit your tastes – if you don’t like it, don’t visit the site.

  • Maggie

    I am not a professional photographer, nor do I even know how to really use an SLR, but I really am a mom with a camera. I like taking pictures of my kids and life and get super excited when I accidentally get some boca. It does seem like every other mom I know now puts watermarks on their pictures and claims to be a pro photographer now, and I really worry that if I ever need a photograper, I might get screwed over because of the MWAC phenomenon. That being said, while I think that there should be a distinction made between inexperienced photographers and more experienced ones, you would hope the portfolio work would speak for itself. Also, as a person with a pretty awesome sense of humor, I don’t think Misty is all that funny, but that is probably because I am not a photographer. I wouldn’t classify it as bullying, but I don’t think it is nice.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595455610 Shalista Wendt Anderson

    There is no difference between this and a SNL Parody. She’s not even making fun of a person by name, like SNL does. Is SNL a bully? She is making fun, and hopefully educating, people who have no clue what they are doing.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      It’s not her intent to educate anyone.

  • JD.

    I’m sorry but this is not in anyway shape or form – bullying.

    This is a comedy video series that is trying to educate the newbie.

    We all start somewhere and some do it the right way, some don’t.

    You slate this with retort in the same way as a dentist, a doctor, or other professional…. (btw… Doctors and dentists have to be registered so I very much doubt a Mom With A Scalpel could do surgery for $50 without getting into a load of legal problems….)

    It sounds like you are a “P”rofessional who doesn’t like the fact that everything she has taken the mick out of has indeed happened to the seasoned pro photographer by a “Uncle Bob, MWAC or other such clown who wants to try their hand at ruining the most important day of a brides life.

    The fact remains that she isn’t serious. She is making fun yes, if you (and I mean the collective you) find this offensive, take your D90 or Rebel Xti 600D with the kit lens or whatever you use, back to Jessops or Walmart or wherever you bought it.

    It’s not difficult to see that this is actually meant to say… “Hey, I know you want to go Pro, but… There is a way about doing this and this is the worst way”. If you are offended, I can only assume you fall in to the category she is referring to and I would seriously take a look at what you do.

    Again, this is the collective ‘you’….

    I share knowledge to newbies who ask, I gain knowledge from others by either paying to go on courses, or practicing with models from websites. I buy the appropriate kit and act accordingly with clients. Some of these MWAC’s wouldn’t know any if this as they see this as a free cash environment.

    Seasoned pros pay tax, insurance, upgrade kit, buy the best lenses for the job, use back ups and calibrate screens and use pro printers/labs etc…

    MWAC’s for the 99% of them….. Don’t.

    Happy New Year.

  • Loconnor42702

    Well, whether someone who is a professional or not, if people like the work someone is doing, and willing to spend their money to pay someone to do it — who cares what another person who offers the same product thinks?  It’s capitalizm…if the ‘stay at home mom who likes to take pictures’ does actually take pictures at a quality people will pay her for – she will strive.  If she doesnt’ do a good job, she won’t make any money and the ‘professional’ can swoop in and save the day……

    This video blogger lady, feels threatened IMHO…..

  • Scott

    Not to say this justifies anything, but this isn’t just about people’s feelings, or bullying, it’s business. This trend really does affect the ability of some entrepreneurs to put food on the table for their families. In the corporate world, companies make fun of other companies products all the time, and call out inferior competition, though not by name, with stuff that makes this humorous take on it seem very tame. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but it’s one method a company in the corporate world can use to keep an edge over up and coming competition. I, as a photographer, run a business. I run it LIKE a business, where personal feelings towards my competition don’t get to me. I may have a thicker skin than most, but hey, the business world is tough. The tougher it gets, the harder the incumbents fight to stay on top. This seems like a manifestation of that. No one ever accuses a coporate entity of bullying, so why when it is a one person company does it suddenly become bullying and not competition?

  • http://www.pamelaoliveras.com/ Pamela

    I came across this on my own photo group page when someone posted a link today. I have no idea who you even are LOL. I am not sure what I think exactly, Collin, but the discussion is interesting! Thanks for starting it!

    Darryl and Tojosan AGREE! Bradwhite25 YES!

    Lisa: and who value Picnic’ed images as a quality edit. <— I would just like to say Picnik rocks and who cares where you edit your images! I know many 'photographers' that use CS5 and the work produced from it is shite because like they say 'you can't polish a turd'! I myself have been judged for my
    non-use of PS, RAW, most expensive camera lens, but you know what: a photographers work
    will speak for itself. It's a visual art. To Thy Own Self Be True!
    I agree with  Cwalkermarie, it's funny and mean at the same time. There's truth in it, but at the end of the day, it is mean. And Melrose  "The only work I am critical of is my own, which has made me that much better over the years." This is so true, the only person you are competing against is yourself!
    I think that there is a client and a photographer for everyone, if a client wants to pay a 'newbie' so be it. That client would never pay a higher priced photographer anyway. I like to help fellow photographers out. And in turn I am inspired by my fellow photographers. The thing I can't stand, like I said in my group, is the shady, sheisty, sneaky photographers (pro/newbies/whatever). They are the ones that piss me off! Women need to stop tearing each other down and inspire each other!Cheers, here's to the weekend!

  • http://twitter.com/USMCShrink Kevin Nasky

    I am a physician. Like most professions, it requires x number of years of schooling, multiple “steps” of examination to procure liscensure, board certification, etc. Other professions–law, actuarial science, accounting, pharmacy–all have similar, stringent requirements. Photography has none. No one can pretend to be a “PRO” photographer, because no one is really a pro. Professions require certification or liscensure.  Now, if you want to say that “Pro” refers to making money, then the MWAC charging $50 for a disk is a Pro.

    As a psychiatrist who dabbles in photography (I’m a guy with a camera–with decent gear), I have to say that I have never seen a profession as insecure as photography. Sounds like a lot of local markets “Pro’s” have felt the squeeze of competition from below, and are lashing out on the internet. They should probably focus that anger towards providing a better product to their clients, instead of worrying about moms with cameras.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Amen Kevin! I appreciate your perspective. Unfortunately, it will probably fall on deaf ears.

  • http://twitter.com/DaydreamPhotog Katherine Weeks

    I thought that the first video was a rather amusing parody of the whole moms with cameras point of view.  I think she has taken it too far and I haven’t watched any beyond the first one mostly because her delivery is sooooo annoying.   Something is clearly feeding her need to continue making these, whether its the attention she is getting, or that she is feeling threatened by some of these up and coming photographers. 
    I see her point in that there are many that get a nice dslr and then proclaim that they are opening their photography “business” the following week.  They really think that it’s the camera that takes the awesome photo, and when it doesn’t they say they’ll just fix it in photoshop.  It is frustrating as someone who has spent years taking classes, going to workshops, reading books, watching videos just to learn the photography side of things.   
    It is unfortunate when people choose the mom one day pro photog the next person for their photography needs but in this day and age people can see both types all over the internet before they even decide on a photog so if they choose poor quality because it’s cheap that is their choice to make, they get what they pay for and they have seen what they are getting.  
    I am personally not offended by these videos because of the content.  This is a clear case of making fun of someone else to feel better about herself.  Her youtube star will fizzle out soon enough. Like any other bully she’ll move on to someone else eventually.  that’s my 2 cents for what it’s worth.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Thanks Katherine!

  • Jessica L.

    I’m an “MWAC”, though I’m not a professional photographer and don’t claim to be one. But I aspire to be one and have been really doing my research to improve my work and practice so that I will have the necessary knowledge, skills, and experience for if/when I eventually decide to try to make a business of it. I watched several of the Missy videos and even sort of stalked her Facebook page for a while, though I never “liked” it. It bothered me that her fan base on her FB page grew so quickly, and the whole page was dedicated to making fun of less experienced professional photographers. I get their point, but I don’t agree with their way of expressing it. Don’t all fields of work have professionals of varying levels of experience in them? I mean, it comes down to the fact that the buyer needs to understand what their buying by doing their research and seeing the photographer’s work. Isn’t photography an art form anyway? You wouldn’t commission a painter to paint a mural in your home for you just because they said they could do it. You would make sure he was legit, check out his previous work, and maybe even ask his previous clients about their experience with him. But, in the end, anyone can paint a mural and be paid for it, if they find the right buyer. If the buyer doesn’t want to spend much money, he’ll probably get a crappy mural. Those who value high-quality, highly professional paintings (or photographs) will pay for them. We don’t see all the master painters in the world forming their own little club to make fun of the craftshow artisans, do we? I agree that it’s mean and childish. Missy and her fans ought to have better things to do.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Thanks for stopping by, Jessica. I really appreciate your comments, and wish you the best as you continue to learn your craft.

  • Heather

    Very interesting blog, and I have to agree with previous comments.  It seems her time could be used in a more constructive manner.  She is indeed Cheri Frost as someone posted previously.  You can check out her blog at http://www.cherifrost.com — you will notice the Lou Ferrigno image that she posted on her facebook page.

  • Shotbyscott

    The think about her posts are “They are funny because its true”. There are so may people turning “pro” that just can produce “pro” standards of work but charge for it. I think its a fantasic bit of satire …. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK MISSY

     

  • Cbtree

    I am a photographer by day and a social media administrator at night as well as a doctor, lawyer and plumber. Anyone need a check up, representation with your legal matters or a toilet to fix?

  • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

    I call it sad.

  • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

    It’s a competitive market. With the economy the way it is, many people are buying based on price alone, regardless of the experience, artistic talent, etc of the photographer. They usually get what they pay for.

    If you can’t sell people on the fact that your product and service are worth what you’re charging, then you need to (a) reduce your prices, (b) improve your skills, or (c) learn how to be a better salesperson.

    In your example of the bride who weeping over her wedding shots, whose fault is that?

    Caveat emptor.

    • John

      The fault for the Photo’s lie with all the working photographers not forming a standards body and not being regulated and the terrible photographer. But remember it also knocks onto all in the industry. What if I tell you the images she saw were good and superior to the ones she received. It leaves you wondering if the portfolio was by a different photographer. 

      Look at the damage to the building industry done by rogue builders. It erodes customer confidence and takes away some work, so everyone looses. and it reduces the value/going rate for everyone.

      For photography it is a market that it is too easy to enter and the standard applied are poor. But be aware of unfair competition. Lets take your main job do you accept its fair for you to compete with someone in India, so you need to drop your prices to their level. 

      As a man working in social media do you not see the social impact of saying its a market drop your rate etc. When so many enter the market it drives the price down. So for some aspects it is only part time workers who can make a living. In effect the market is being brought down low. Is that good??? 

      Is it fair that there are people with good day jobs that provide money for houses and cars and then go out at the evening/weekend and do photography at cut rates that mean people who do photography as a living cannot compete? Is that not far worse than these video’s. The video’s hurt feelings. Unfair competition hurts feelings and hits the person. 

      • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

        Thanks for reading and commenting. Best of luck to you forming a standards body to regulate photographers.

        • Charles R. Lawson, CPP

          We have one. We’ve had it since 1869. It’s called the Professional Photographers of America. If you’re a professional and not a member of the organization, then you’re missing out–education, nationally-recognized professional certification, Master Photographer degree programs, forums to discuss your growing (or continuing) photography business.

          The difficulty is not as you say, finding the needle in the haystack, but actually that the other needles (though not as sharp) have watered down the market as to the value of a fine photograph. I don’t have difficulty selling my hand-crafted, fine art images of families, children, weddings, and high school seniors. I do often have difficulty explaining to clients why we don’t just give away files. I often have customers who dont know why an oil on canvas is 500 times the 8×10 at Wal-Mart.

          On the other hand we are all living in trying times and to be as sensitive to the “plight” of snapshot takers is a bit unbending. To be made fun of for not following the same rules as tenured professionals comes with the territory. If you’re not paying sales tax or income tax and you’re not procuring business licenses where applicable, then you deserve all the ridicule you receive. These are legal requirements for all businesses, not just photographers.

          Everyone must start somewhere, but please do it properly. Look up your local PPA affiliate (all 50 states have one), join and learn. Join the PPA and start attending educational events and find out how much more there is to photography than “P for Professional.” Sign up for state sales tax collection. Begin claiming your income on your taxes. Get your local, town, or county business license. Integrity will carry you a long way before you even get to improving the quality of your images.

  • Jbrown53

    Are YOU serious?  THIS is bullying?  Heaven forbid anyone ever get’s to be the butt of a joke!
     

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Yes. Serious.

  • http://www.garywoodsphotography.com/ Gary Woods

    Collin, if your Fortune 500 decided to cut your position in favor of someone with a smart phone, a FB acct and NO REAL knowledge of how to administer social marketing, you would be equally pissed. As a full time professional photographer with every award available, I have seen my business destroyed by doctor’s wives, scholl teachers, etc who no next to nothing about the technique and creativity. 

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      The value I provide has nothing to do with the tools I use to do my job, and nobody has cut your position. I’m sorry that the doctors’ wives and school teachers are destroying your business. I hope you find something you can be more successful at.

  • Anonymous

    There should be room for everyone and everything, and I thought the video was funny.  I am the author of a book inspiring parents and pros to take better photographs of their children.  It just happened to come out when the whole mamarazzi movement started and I went along for the ride.  Pros are suffering now from parents not hiring them because they think they can do it themselves.  It is sad, just as it is sad that the music, newspaper and publishing industries are suffering from changes brought about by the internet.  But change happens! Eventually we all adapt and usually generally benefit.  Painters were threatened when photography was invented, but that didn’t seem to be a huge issue in the long run.  I have just published an article I wrote on my blog (linked here) about Why You Should Still Hire a Professional.  I thought it was relevant to this whole discussion.  Enjoy! 

  • Anonymous

    There should be room for everyone and everything, and I thought the video was funny.  I am the author of a book inspiring parents and pros to take better photographs of their children.  It just happened to come out when the whole mamarazzi movement started and I went along for the ride.  Pros are suffering now from parents not hiring them because they think they can do it themselves.  It is sad, just as it is sad that the music, newspaper and publishing industries are suffering from changes brought about by the internet.  But change happens! Eventually we all adapt and usually generally benefit.  Painters were threatened when photography was invented, but that didn’t seem to be a huge issue in the long run.  I have just published an article I wrote on my blog about Why You Should Still Hire a Professional.  I thought it was relevant to this whole discussion.  Enjoy! 
    http://www.photographingchildren.com

  • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

    Watch it with the personal attacks Karen, or you’ll be black-listed. This will be your only warning.

    • Resqartist

        Where’s the personal attack? I don’t see it, only see her defending Frank.

  • Nicholemanner

    I dont think it’s mean. Think about it. We all see a little of ourselves in her videos, seasoned pro or newbie. We have all started somewhere. I think where it really offends people is when it brings to light shortcomings of the reader. But then again, it does not need to be taken to offense. Many truths are spoken too. The attitude of many newer professional photographers is that they don’t need to learn light, posing, how their camera works, proper editing skills, etc. Cameras take decent pics nowadays, and with the overwhelming influx of cute props and photoshop actions, photographers are relying less on actual skills. And, yes, it does frustrate the professionals who spend boatloads of time and money learning their craft. So. My advice is, if it strikes a nerve, perhaps there is something you need to work on.

  • Nicholemanner

    I dont think it’s mean. Think about it. We all see a little of ourselves in her videos, seasoned pro or newbie. We have all started somewhere. I think where it really offends people is when it brings to light shortcomings of the reader. But then again, it does not need to be taken to offense. Many truths are spoken too. The attitude of many newer professional photographers is that they don’t need to learn light, posing, how their camera works, proper editing skills, etc. Cameras take decent pics nowadays, and with the overwhelming influx of cute props and photoshop actions, photographers are relying less on actual skills. And, yes, it does frustrate the professionals who spend boatloads of time and money learning their craft. So. My advice is, if it strikes a nerve, perhaps there is something you need to work on.

  • http://www.robertearnest.com/ Robert

    I found these videos to be hysterical. I even sent the link to my clients for them to get a laugh. I am in no way shape or form intimidated by them as I am sure that there is no way anyone with these opinions would ever compete at my level. I thought she did a fabulous job as the character she has created and even wrote to tell her that I felt she would be a celebrity soon enough and be hired for presentations by her character.
    If anyone feels intimidated or insulted by this then I would guess that they are close to this level of photography themselves and desperate to not be viewed in this light.

  • Lisa Johnson

    Hey – I just googled her to see what else I could find on her and found this.  I must admit I enjoyed the first few videos, but then they got kind of tiresome.  It had a strange side effect, though.  I have a long experience with photography, starting about 30 years back with full manual SLR cameras.  I don’t consider myself “new” or exactly “uneducated” in photography.  A few years ago I was diagnosed with a chronic, disabling illness.  I love photography, can’t afford to keep upgrading equipment, and decided maybe I could try to at least do it part-time to earn enough money to get some equipment now and then.  I’ve bought a book on best business practices for photographers, books on techniques that I might not be as well-trained on as I should, and books on how to do post processing since it is something I didn’t do on a computer back in the 80s and early 90s.  

    I insisted on getting a better DSLR and better quality lenses before daring to consider taking anyone else’s picture for money.  I’ve invested in backdrops, etc., and have a list of props I want to get if I start doing to much portrait photography, though my real goal for now is just microstock.  

    After watching enough of her videos, though, even though I saw so many thing I would never do, I honestly feel like I shouldn’t be bothering.  I’m obviously nowhere near the skill level if I’m just a MWAC, and never can be.  Who cares if I understand everything about exposure, know how to use off-camera flash, pose a subject and have already sold as prints nature and wildlife photography?  I obviously have no real business attempting to do this as a job.  Right?

    And apparently most pros agree.  If I am not doing it their way,  I shouldn’t do it at all.

    At least I won’t lose more than $400 selling my almost new equipment used – the lenses are L quality and I have already priced what the body should go for and am on a forum where sales at fairly good (not much loss for me) prices are sold within a few hours.  :(

  • Mick

    It’s quite funny actually, good humor comes when there is a bit of truth in it.

  • Jen

     I’m a photographer in Albuquerque where Cheri Frost is based and I’m embarrassed for her.  Their business has suffered in recent years and instead being professional about it, she choose to react like this.  I think it seems sad and desperate.  What bothers me the most is that I’ve had more than one client bring it up with me, so word is out and I think it makes our industry look bad.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Thanks for sharing, Jen. Very interesting real life developments for Missy.

  • TiredofMSMlies

    She is not a photographer…  I get the feeling she thinks she is a comedian.  I have looked at some of the things she does online besides these videos and find it truly ironic that all her “jokes” could in fact be about her.  If you ask me she is a bored soccer mom who spends way too much time telling her “audience” about her children.  Ladies, you know these catty types, nothing new…  BTW, I have seen many of her photos…  I say nothing on the topic because I am kind and also not a “comedian”.  I say take it with a grain of salt.  We all know there is a lot of crap on the net, just ignore it.  That is my two cents, and now I guess I am broke.

  • TiredofMSMlies

    …and yes, the screen shot of FB, that was mean.

  • TiredofMSMlies

    After re-reading the comments on this thread it occurred to me:  Times they are a’changing…  So the “real” photographers are concerned about losing money?  Hmm, just how do they suppose it is today for the “real” writers?  What with all the blogs that have sprung up and people who give away their work…  Ever heard of Huffington post? (please do not go there it is true yellow crap)  What about brick and mortar stores (you know, the real ones) who have lost out to the online market place?

    This is America.  Deal with it.  Provide a better product, a better service, a unique experience…  Do not cry because someone else may have the chance to do what you do, deal with it.  I really think “Missy” would be wise to shut the whole thing down before she destroys what is left of her family’s business.  She is having her five minutes but the truth is she’s is a one trick pony who is not extremely funny.

  • Bobbie

    I’ve found out who Missy MWAC is, read my blog to find out more, as well as my opinion on her videos! :) 
    http://www.violetphotographyanddesign.com/who-is-missy-mwac-uncovered/

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Great post, Bobbie! If any of her supporters find it, get ready for the backlash! Oh, and what took you so long to figure out who she is? It was posted in the comments here on my site several months ago!

  • John Paul

    I wanted to write back in Collin, and tell you that I have changed my position from evidence of poor behavior I have seen by many so-called professionals, who claim superiority but yet deliver work that is equal too or sub-standard to the quality of work of the group which they are attacking.

    I was brainwashed by the old school mentality for a long time, only to realize that these old school people who like to hate are suffering more than anyone business wise. 

    You cannot ignore statistics and the free market, they dictate everything.

    I will follow what the free market dictates and not feel bad about “playing fair for others sake”, meanwhile my kids are fed, and my mortgage is paid while the old school pros are sitting on everything.

    I wonder how much professional work Missy and her husband really do as full time professional photographers anyways. Seems they are too busy posting on facebook all day long and making videos than shooting anything.

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Nice to see you back, John Paul, and nice to see that we’re getting go a place where we can agree on a few things. I hope you’re well, and that you’re doing great work and making lots of money. You’re a good person, and deserve it.

  • Cindy

    My first thought when I watched the video was “What a complete waste of energy”. The videos “create” nothing. I am sure the goal is to be funny and maybe have one of the videos go viral. 

    However, my reason for actually commenting comes from the other comments. MANY people are commenting about how they agree that “MWAC’s as you are calling them are devaluing your market and how people are hiring them instead of you etc. 

    You are wrong. I was a “Mom with a camera”. Now I never said I was a Professional, but I took pics of my daughter and her friends during dance competitions. I shared the double prints with the other moms. Over time they started asking if they could pay me. I never did “Portraits” but I would capture more sports photography style pictures of their children. I also never “charged” I just gave them the photos and if they wanted to give me some money to cover my printing or (back then) film costs I didn’t turn them down. 

    Now the point behind that story is….NONE of them were/are your market! They are not devaluing you because they are not doing what you do. Whether they call themselves Professionals or not (FYI: In other markets a professional is anyone who gets paid to do what they are doing). Usually (in my experience) when someone hires “the kid down the street” or “that person they know that does X” they are not your target customer because they would never pay “Professional” prices for what they want. 

    We HAVE been in the Web Design industry for 16 years. We have a company, know our craft, have paid to know more about our craft, have a fully established business recognized by the state and federal authorities. We Do Not charge $200 to build a site.  How many “Professional” photographers have paid the guy down the street who “Knows how to build websites” to build their sites (maybe that first one…) rather than “Hiring a professional”? 

    You are doing it everyday….in multiple industries. 

    So…when talking negatively or fussing and whining about other people in your industry messing it up…remember…

    1. The people who hire those people are not YOUR target audience. YOUR target audience will know the difference between those people and that you offer. 

    2. Be considerate of everyone because you are doing the exact same thing you are accusing them of to people in other professions. 
     (i.e. hiring the kid down the street to mow the lawn instead of a professional company, hiring the (uncle, friend, neighbor) to build your website instead of a professional web company, asking the neighbor to watch your pets when you are out of town instead of hiring a professional (certified/licensed) pet sitting company)

    Just my 2 cents….

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      You rock Cindy! Thanks for contributing to the conversation! I appreciate it.

  • Steve

    Satire.  Parody.  Humor.  Part of their impact is based on pushing barriers and testing comfort zones.  There are many successful comedians who have been very widely accepted because they effectively made some people squirm.  Some people love it and some people hate it.  That’s comedy and it doesn’t surprise me that Missy is getting such a reaction.

    Missy MWAC really parodies a lot of personalities who are prevalent in the photography arena.  Most of them make their living from encouraging new photogs to buy or subscribe to their own products and services.  The vendors and suppliers have a never ending stream of Rock Star of the Day presenters who subtly (or not) promote products to the photographer masses.  If you’ve been involved in wedding photography over the past 10 years you will know who they are.  And a lot of them are not around today.  But generally their message is the same:  Buy this and you’ll be great!

    But as for “bullying”, I have to challenge that.  Bullying in schools, on the playground, and in the work place exist because you’re forced to attend and participate.  It’s hard to bully someone when they are not forced to be present.  If one is offended by what Missy produces, quit watching.  Facebook, you tube, and pretty much everything else internet related is strictly a voluntary participation.  Turn it off and problem solved!

    I just wish that true bullying were as easy to deal with.

  • Dan

    I agree with Karen. Frank is an excellent pro. Don’t know why the others thought his work was rank. 

  • Swankps

    HUMOR! You should cave into it every once in a while. It’s good for the soul. Missy is a funny girl and I give her props for making fun of our sometimes ridiculously overtly serious industry. I appreciate her humor. 

    • http://socialposer.com/ Collin

      Trust me. I have a sense of humor, just not for this kind of crap.

  • Jodie Otte

    How would I feel if my doctor was involved in this type of behavior?  Last time I checked, the medical industry wasn’t full of soccer moms with scalpels making the entire industry look like a joke.  I understand Missy – It’s frustrating watching our livelihood go down the tubes, and sometimes, a little humor helps you deal.  If you would take notice, Missy isn’t just going after the “Moms with Cameras” – she’s also going after the big names in the industry who are scamming new photographers.  She’s simply looking at everything in the industry, and showing the humor in the ridiculousness that is happening every day.

  • Jon

    “Social Poser”

    I think that defines what most of the unqualified, unprofessional, undercutting, devaluing, weekend photographers (lower case P) who use social outlets to portray themselves as “Professionals” are.

    A facebook fan page and a Bluedomain page seems to be the only bar for entry these days and no one can deny that. Cheri is simply using this thing called sarcastic humor to take a jab at that.

    Unlike Doctors, Dentists and Lawyers we don’t have a profssional bar, certifcation requirements or government regulation, so you can’t really compare the industries apples to apples.

    Everyone is entitled to their views of course, yourself included.

  • http://www.facebook.com/timforbes Tim Forbes

    It’s called Satire and it has a rich history in your United States. Anyone who places themselves in the public eye opens themselves up to critique, criticism and satire.

    IMO your use of the phrase ‘cyber-bullying’ is WAAY overkill. As far as I know, no wedding photographers have offed themselves because someone on the interwebs mentioned them.

    These people are grown adults and if they want to ‘mine’ the industry for dollars (as they do) with little thought for the craft of photography, then they set themselves up for some ‘correcting’ via satire and critique.

  • Kate

    I completely agree with you Collin.  I don’t really understand all the negative energy that many photographers are putting into this subject.  There are several very outspoken photographers who spend more than 50% of their time on Facebook whining and ridiculing so called MWACs.  It is really pathetic.  If they spent all that energy on something more productive like their business, craft, or the photography community as a whole, we’d all be better off.  The reality is, not one of us was born knowing how to make a technically and artistically perfect image.  Not one of us was born knowing what the hell an F-stop, shutter speed or ISO is.  We all started somewhere and we all learned (and hopefully are continuing to learn) how to be good photographers.  Spending time worrying about someone who is selling their work for pennies is such a waste of time and talent.  The clients that MWAC photographer is selling to are NOT IN YOUR TARGET MARKET ANYWAY.  WHY DO YOU CARE?????  The sad truth is there are so many people that just feed off this negative crap.  They love cheering on photographers who ridicule and whine about other photographers whether they be MWACs or Rockstars.  I read this stuff and think two things: 1. They must not be that busy since they have so much time to spend on social media whining about the so called MWAC problem and 2. Who would hire these people?  I know that if I saw a professional behaving in this way, I would never hire them.

  • Sue

    I really don’t think that “Missy” is trying to hurt people.  She is among  a lot of Professional Photographers that have had it with the influx of Moms that have thought “Hey I will pick up a camera, stay at home with my kids and make money!”.  What she, and her followers, are doing is letting out steam.  They don’t go around to others blogs, or Facebooks, and post attacks.  They don’t call out specific people and rip them into pieces.  They post in their own arena.
    I have known about her for a long time.  And yes, there are times when I think that she has pushed it a little but no more than someone of the highly respected Professional Photographers out there.  There are some photographers that will shred everyone into pieces.
    I had a photographer come follow me for a while.  He called himself a Professional Photographer but yet had NO CLUE about lighting.  I don’t mean how to use an OCF but basic lighting patterns in general.  It really angered me.  The years that I have spent fine learning and fine tuning my craft, and in runs massive amount of people that thinks that they can do it too with the right camera.  But I take a deep breath and think a candle doesn’t lose it’s flame by lighting another candle.  So I try to help him.
    But it is true, that the whole industry has been cheapened by $50 cds.  Or (P)Photographers, MWAC, that advertise 1 hour shoots, with 300 images, for only $250. 300 images?  This only means that they spray and pray.  $250? You can’t live off of that…
    So maybe a Mom, who REALLY has the desire to become a photographer, will see Missy’s videos, FB, or whatever will think about the road that she needs to take to earn the title of Photographer. 
    No, Missy should not be ashamed of herself.  She is pointing out what is wrong in this industry.  And she is doing it with humor.  If she makes you feel bad, well then maybe it’s an area that you need to work on in order to drop the MWAC title and truly become a Professional Photographer.

  • Jamienstallings

    Ok, so in reading the blog and honestly I think you got her all wrong. What “Missy” is doing is adding some comic relief to an industry where anyone who isn’t legitimately a business can call themselves a pro. And she isn’t exactly bashing on those people who are less experienced, but adding a element of humor to te lessons she is teaching. Yes she picks at camera functions [p] professional etc… But she is also thinking outside the box. She is also warning those interested in being a pro to steer clear of those scamming the industry with their supposed knowledge of actions etc, such as the showateers and other “rockstars” of te industry who are just out to make a fast buck of of starving photogs. She is also adding in each video how to be come a REAL professional so that you won’t carry around the MWAC title. The target of MWAC is focused on those who are not legally a business and literally take money from those who are unable to tell the difference.

  • Cass742003

    So this has been an interesting read, and I’ve only made it halfway thru the comments. I’m not sure if this has. Even mentioned. It here is my take on the whole thing.

    What gets me up in arms about the MWAC is safety. This is why there needs to be policing of the industry… Hess moms and dads see some of the shots that the baby as art girls or Jodie Otte does, simply AMAZING shots of baby’s in hammocks or on a saddle…. And immediately the MWACs are trying to copy it, having no real skill besides using an automatic setting and what they don’t know is 9 times out of 10 ( and the one other time there is a spotter) its a composite of two images and not just one shot. My point… These MWACs most of the time don’t carry any sort of liability insurance and what happens when a 5 day old newborn falls to its death because they don’t have the skills toto do the shot safely. Then our entire industry is put under fire. It’s started to be a matter of safety. Here recently a senior photog put a girl on live tracks, you can see a train coming towards them, and the MWAC was laughing about them having to run for their lives, not seeing the real danger she put her client in, and when pros called her on it, they just accused us of being jealous of her” skills”. It’s only a matter of time before someone is going to end up killing a client.
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    As a pro, and I use that term lightly when speaking about myself because I know I still have so much to learn, but the first thing I did when I knew what direction I wanted to take my love of photography was to get my license, my insurance and basic skills and built from there. So often, people go buy some cheap 600 camera, put it on P, get one lucky shot and boom they have a Facebook page and I lose two clients who are so excited they are getting a disc for 50 bucks instead of paying me 500. No one is winning and sometimes the only thing we can do is sit back and laugh and Missy is giving us those laughs, the same way when I watch letterman.

    Letting her real identity and location be posted was unprofessional and a form of bullying itself. Especially when the point of this blog was calling out someone you perceive a bully.

    And I know I just sort of rambled on here, I’m definately not a writer, I make no plans to publish a book or even pretend to be a writer. I’m a professional photographer that is fed up with being undercut by others that are bored in their daily lives looking to make a quick buck and doing a disservice to not only the industry but to the hard working individuals that learn to late what the value is on their once in a lifetime moments.

  • Kewill_000

    The comment above “How would you feel about your Dr., lawyer or dentist if they engaged in behavior like hers” basically says it all. They wouldn’t because you will not find moms practicing law, doctoring or acting as dentists…because there are laws that require a certain amount of education to achieve the level of professionals in those fields. I think those that consider themselves professional photographers are very frustrated with the lack of educational requirements. Even the pro associations require nothing for members. There are very few professions out there that have the issues that professional photographers face.

    When those that take the craft seriously enough to train, pay $$$$’s for equipment, pay $$$$ in overhead, have a tax number, pay their taxes, etc., are expected to deal with those that devalue the business on a daily basis, frustration such as this video can only be expected. I don’t think this video can be considered cyber bullying in any way though. If it could be considered that then every comment devaluing pro photogs could be considered the same. Free speech is still a part of the American way – for now at least – and should not be censored. If you don’t like the video, simply don’t watch it or turn it off if it starts offending you. Your blog posts could be offensive to some but do you feel you have the right to post them? She has those same rights…whether you like the video or not.

  • http://twitter.com/alesura alejandra sura

    I don’t care if  this kind of photographers are charging $4 a photo. I trust my talent and try to do my best no matter who my competition is. But it does offend me that a lot of this people act and call themselves professionals and put down my time, effort and money spent in college. 
    What this woman is saying, I’ve seen or heard from more than a few, I think it may do them good to know how stupid and offensive they can sound and I don’t see any cruelty since she is just showing what people are actually saying…btw, she also targets professional photographers in other videos and for good reasons. I think she does what she means, make you think. 

  • Mike

    She isn’t hiding now. she’s Cheri Frost from Albuquerque, New Mexico

  • Dave Mason

    Here’s what I like about Missy. She draws attention to the issue(s). But let me add to what I think the real issues are. Missy is much less about MWACs stealing her husband’s business than she is about the Tony Robbins sales people that have no real experience holding workshops and getting these GWACs and MWACs to jump in and become photographers. In fact, several of them jump onto the speaking circuit because they have no success as a photographer.

    It is easier and easier to take pictures and when that happens, there is going to be more and more competition. It is the same in every discipline when craftsman becomes assembly line worker. If you look at Missy’s stream, there are clear references to “rockstar” and the voice is a direct steal from one of the leading peddlers of “become a photographer today”. In fact, she goes to great pain to duplicate their catch lines. Personally the folks peddling these things without really knowing what works is a tragedy to those who end up buying, only to find out they really can’t make it.

    The MWAC is part of her criticism too. This is where I think Missy is a bit bitter and so are other photographers. If you can’t differentiate your photography (TO THE CONSUMER) to justify the higher price, then you’re going to lose business to these moms. The consumer doesn’t care about your degree, they don’t care about the fact that you shoot off camera flash in full manual on your 5DIII. They care if the image quality is good and it captures the beauty of them or their family. Looking at Missy’s husband’s photography, my guess is he falls into this category. I know quite a few part time MWACs that take better pictures that have more personality and are better processed than Frank’s. And my guess is the consumer isn’t going to be able to tell the difference. This is where her videos aren’t as much about humor as they are about insecurity and bitterness.

    So to Missy, have your husband focus on making his images look better and more importantly different. The trend of photos becoming easier and easier will continue which will cause the overall supply to increase and thus price to drop. The way of the world. But you don’t hear the high end restaurants of the area saying McDonald’s is killing their business. Unless you server McDonald’s quality food, then you’re going to be bitter.